full-disclosure - An urgent warning to all concerning ~el8 / project mayhem (fwd)

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From: dufresne at winternet.com (Ron DuFresne)
Subject: An urgent warning to all concerning ~el8 /
 project mayhem (fwd)

On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, hellNbak wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Ron DuFresne wrote:
>
> > It seems that the whitehat community is under a new attack, putting fear
> > into the souls of some reputed security experts, leaving them to now,
> > rather then admonish these spoiled children, to rather brag them up and
> > promote what some are referring to as their fine skillsets and tools.  I'm
>
> Ron - I am assuming you are reffering to my quote where I say that these
> guys are not script kiddies.  This was not a running scared tactic but the
> truth, I have worked with some of the guys involved in this BS and know
> some of their skillset first hand.

That, and the article you quoted, or linked, and the number of comments
quoted there by others in the industry.  The two brighter sec-industry
folks, Theo de Raadt and Shane Macaulay, at least would not comment on the
childish antics of these mini-terrorist-wanna-bes.

>
> Immature? Yes, they definately are.  But unlike the idiots before them,
> these guys do have some skills.  How is saying that running scared?
>

Well, there's feeding into their own mania for one.  The old I wanna see
my name in lights and posted all over the place acknowledging my l33tn355.
Better that if you have names, they be spilled to the proper authorities
to bring these lamers to the knees of the justice system.  Hopefully you
are not enabling them with some other childish whim of 'not telling' on
your peers for sure.  Certainly avoid feeding their limited egos, be part
of a concerted effort to end their tantrums in the halls of the legal
system, and make their lives as tough as possible to persist in these
rantings.

Thanks,

Ron DuFresne
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the
business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation." -- Johnny Hart
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