From: misha at cerber.no (Mikhail Iakovlev)
Subject: scriptkids on this list

It seems to me that since you point out to efnet.ru websites, it is some 
of your friends that allowed posting there. I have seen #phrack and people 
there. Except 1 or 2 it's trash. 

By not making anything on a web page, including tools, doesn't mean you 
cannot do your stuff. Like if I discovered a flaw, I would keep exploit in 
safe place, so people like you, gobbles, would not attempt to use it and 
would be therefore safe from jail.

So, say thanks at least.
Besides, if one really wants to run exploit, one should also be able to 
understand the flaw, how to find it, and how to make an exploit.

Can you? Doubt it.
You should perhaps install somewhere slackware 3.0 and use old 
mount/umount exploit for learning, than you can accuse others of 
incompentense if you wish. However, since it will take you a _long_ time 
to get to that level - here is what will happen:
1. You do as I described, and in process you finally get self-confidence 
and won't even bother to react on accusation. Because you would know what 
you are worth.
2. You are lazy, and you would continue to accuse other people in attempt 
to cover your incompentense.

Choice is yours, and we all will see how it goes:)
If we see your reactions still, it means simply that you are lazy bastard, 
and you're not even worth our attention.
As simple as that.

Cheers,

Mik-


On Thu, 26 Sep 2002 gobbles@...hmail.com wrote:

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> Nuno Fernandes writes:
> 
> > LOL, shut up you script kiddies...
> 
> and
> 
> > Morons like yourself give gobbles a good name.
> 
> 
> There seems to be a persistent pattern on this list that results in
> the real scriptkids such as Steve "HellnBak" Manzuik, Charles "Core"
> Stevenson, Ron DuFresne, and Nuno Fernandes calling people -- people
> who are obviously magnitudes above them in skill level -- "script
> kids". It's obvious that the aforementioned people are scriptkids
> because, being some of the most vocal whitehats on this list,
> you'd expect to see some contributions in the form of code or tools
> housed on their websites or attributed to their names. But when you
> see their blank websites (Manzuik), their fundamental grasp of
> a computer architecture that nobody really cares about (Stevenson),
> their posts concerning firewalls and Internet "attack vectors"
> (DuFresne), and their half-assed security blog servers containing
> nothing of value except vulnerabilities that a 4 year old could
> exploit (Fernandes), the old "pot calling the kettle black" scenario
> immediately springs to mind.
> 
> In fact, it's not just on this list, it's everywhere. We're sick and
> tired of seeing the "scriptkid" label planted on anyone who's actually
> out there doing real hacking. It seems to be the primary form of
> character assassination and denigration used by the security industry
> to defend their pride -- pride which is obviously at gunpoint when
> you have these talented individuals making a point of their dumb asses.
> 
> We suggest careful study of the following textfiles:
> 
> http://phrack.efnet.ru/texts/hack1.txt
> http://phrack.efnet.ru/texts/hack2.txt
> http://phrack.efnet.ru/texts/hack3.txt
> 
> Long live ~el8 and PHC.
> 
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