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From: kspett at spidynamics.com (Kevin Spett)
Subject: Security Certifications

No way... if they were Certified Idiots they'd be easier to identify.



Kevin.

----- Original Message -----
From: "rrm" <rrm@...ick.net>
To: "'Leo Security'" <security@...tmail.fm>; "'Rizwan Ali Khan'"
<rizwanalikhan74@...oo.com>; <full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com>;
<security-basics@...urityfocus.com>
Cc: <certification@...urityfocus.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 7:45 PM
Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Security Certifications


> We could really do with less certified idiots.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com
> [mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of Leo Security
> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 7:19 PM
> To: Rizwan Ali Khan; full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com;
> security-basics@...urityfocus.com
> Cc: certification@...urityfocus.com
> Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Security Certifications
>
> I have checked the content and syllabi of most of the subjects offered
> for these certs and was disappointed. They are a waste of time. My
> advice will be to use your time for the deep study of operating systems.
> That would make you a better security analyst. Most employers have had
> it with certs and do not give much importance to it any more.
> Certifications were hot untill 2000. There value is going downhill since
> then.
>
> I would only go for certs if my employer requires it and pays me for it.
> I will never like to spend my own money on certs.
>
> Thats my opinion.
>
> regards
> Leo
>
> hellNbak wrote:
> > Be sure when filling out the questionaire from ISC2 that you lie if you
> > have been a part of any "hacking" groups or have used a nym.  Honesty
*IS
> > NOT* the best policy in this case.
> >
> > I have a friend in Tokyo who took the lead auditor course and passed the
> > test, he said it was horrible and not worth the time or money
> >
> > On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Ron DuFresne wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:08:21 -0600 (CST)
> >>From: Ron DuFresne <dufresne@...ternet.com>
> >>To: Rizwan Ali Khan <rizwanalikhan74@...oo.com>
> >>Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com, security-basics@...urityfocus.com,
> >>     certification@...urityfocus.com
> >>Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Security Certifications
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Your quickest bet here is to do a google search on cisa and then on
cissp.
> >>You'll gt pointers to the governing bodies and such, pointers to lists
of
> >>pretesting help, local affiliations as well as testing sites in the near
> >>future and much more in the first 10-20 links google returns.
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>Ron DuFresne
> >>
> >>On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Rizwan Ali Khan wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I have heard of CISA and CISSP as Security
> >>>Certifications, but could someone shed some light and
> >>>give information about the governing bodies of the
> >>>following Certifications, and where to get their
> >>>suggested training material/ books etc.
> >>>
> >>>And if it is possible to give their exams from
> >>>Pakistan?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>BS7799/ISO7799 lead auditor
> >>>Prince 2
> >>>SSCP
> >>>CISM
> >>>CISMP
> >>>TCSEC
> >>>SCP
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
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> >>"Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity.  It
> >>eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the
> >>business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation." -- Johnny Hart
> >> ***testing, only testing, and damn good at it too!***
> >>
> >>OK, so you're a Ph.D.  Just don't touch anything.
> >>
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