From: remko at elvandar.org (Remko Lodder)
Subject: GUNINSKI THE SELF-PROMOTER

Hi,

First of all,

I did not read all of the messages in detail,
but what i observed is that people are throwing mudd on eachother.

I don't think that is good, since this is a list that provides
information about leaks etc and no mudd-throwing.

So can we stick on the leaks etc and give time to that instead of
the mudd fight?

Thnx

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Met vriendelijke groet,

Remko Lodder

Elvandar.org/Firewalladministrator.org
www.mostly-harmless.nl Learning Unix? And wanna know more?

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Van: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com
[mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com]Namens dhtml@...h.com
Verzonden: zondag 20 juli 2003 20:19
Aan: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
Onderwerp: [mailinglists-security] Re: [Full-Disclosure] GUNINSKI THE
SELF-PROMOTER



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>
> Secondly, if you are an advocate of full disclosure, why weren't these
> "semi private" exploits revealed along with the other, if you are indeed
> following the full disclosure model?  I think you can't stand by your
> previous word, so you use degrading terms like "kiddie", to try and
> undermine my credibility.  It is quite ridiculous, if you ask me.

Young Matthew seems to think that there is some sort of industry practice
whether it be full, part or responsbile disclosure. He is oblivious to
the fact that these nothing more than cute labels others are trying to
append to the work and style of people that  do things.  Mathew is too
thick to grasp this and believes that there is formality to all of this.

I would use the words "liar" and "thief". This is what you are Matthew
:(. Again you are too stupid to realise it and it shall have to be pointed
out to you again.



> If anyone here is a troll, it is you.  I have not gone around labeling
> people "kiddie" without the slightest knowledge of the background to
their
> claims, something that you have done.  You have consistently bashed
> Microsoft, even though you have been completely idle with respect to
> Microsoft since July.  I ask where those claims can possibly come from,

> unless of course you have other "semi private" exploits, Georgi?

Unfortunately Matthew because you are a liar and thief and moron, your
actions certainly can be considered trollish. Once again, because you
are not aware of any of this, it will have to be pointed out to once
again.


> I've learned something about you -- you only stick to your word, and
follow
> the standards you've set before, if and when it suits you.  I think
the
> word that "dhtml@...h.com" (since we have no name for this anonymous
fan of
> yours) used fits well here -- turncoat.

I think we have all learnt that you are a liar and a thief and a moron
Matthew :( perhaps you will lern this as well as you age.

Plain and simple.

A.

1. Matthew concludes that Georgi is lying about informing VIM because
Matthew struggles to find any messages about this in the mailing list
archives. Matthew declares that Georgi is a liar twice because of this.

2. Georgi and others reconfirm that in fact that VIM were informed about
this. Plain and simple.

3. Matthew still is unable to accept that he is wrong and has accused
Georgi of lying falsely. This is quite moronic Matthew.

B.

1. Matthew concludes that Microsoft must be doing a good job with their
Trustworthy Initiative because Georgi hasn't published anything in over
a year.  This is Matthew's conclusion and is similr to his moronic
conclusion
as in A above.

Matthew you are a certified moron :(

C.

1. Matthew decides that Schneier has made a statmenent that security
vulnerabilities can be completely
eliminated

"I think his statement that security vulnerabilities can be completely
eliminated if we want to is silly, and perfectionist in nature".

Of course Schneier did not make any such statement. Matthew is lying.
 This is because Matthew is a liar you see :(

2.   Matthew finds a virus or virus generator utilising a well known
and published vulnerability discovered, that core discovery being the
manipulation of spaces in file names and types in the Outlook Express
MUA. Matthew he modifies it and declares to the world that he has discovered
a vulnerability. Matthew is once again lying, because he did not discover
anything. What Matthew did is modify someone else's discovery and then
claim it as his own. Matthew is once again lying and sadly unaware of
it :(

3. Matthew finds an old archived vulnerability report abotu 4 methods
of crashing Internet Explorer, one of which is self-referencing through
the hmtl object associated with the Internet Explorer proprietry html,
 actions and behaviors. The core vulnerability technique being looping
an html file in an object. Matthew weaks this finding, and then declares
to the world that he has discovered a vulnerability. Yet again Matthew
is lying as he has not discovered anything. All he has done is modified
someone else's findings. Yet another sad lie in the string of lies from
our friend Matthew the Liar.

D.

As in C 1 and 2 above. Matthew steals two parties original discoveries
and modifies them and then declares to the world that he has discovered
two vulnerabilities. Matthew has stolen two parties findings and made
them his own. This is the nature of the thief and a liar.Matthew Murphy.
In his greed for the spotlight and attention he just takes others published
findings and uses them and claims them to be his own.

In Matthew's mornic conclusion and theiving, lying mind, he will have
you believe that diddling with the file name or the style renders a brand
new discovery. Unable to grasp that the core findings already published
as well known are what make the vulnerability. Because Matthew is a moron
(and a liar and thief), we can demonstrate in the following simple manner
that even a chimp can understand, how Matthew conducts his thefts:

Martha Muffy discovers and publishes a vulnerability in 1998 to bugtraq
of the following

"if we do this, we crash windows explorer

<script>
window.open("/")
</script>
"

Matthew Murpy the thief, roots around old archives and finds that published
vulnerability and takes and does this which happens to produce the same
results as the original:

if we do this, we crash windows explorer

<script>
window.open("\")
</script>

He then declares to the world, I Matthew Murphy have discovered a
vulnerability.Look
at me, aren't I great.

Of course if this were science and had Matthew helped himself to the
pioneering works of others and delcared it to be his own, he would be
shot and pissed on. But this is not science and Matthew is not a scientist.
What he is, is a mornic liar and a thief.

My decision is final.






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