full-disclosure - east coast powergrid / SCADA [OT?]

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From: gshively at pivx.com (Geoff Shively)
Subject: east coast powergrid / SCADA [OT?]

Good point.

It is hard to believe sometimes that such integral pieces of the systems
that operate our world are connected to the internet, or use the internet to
function. Hell, blocking 135 on some carrier may have caused a SCADA system
to become unable to send or receive data via RPC and lock down. Just an
example, but I think you get my point.

Cheers,

Geoff Shively, CHO
PivX Solutions, LLC

Are You Secure?
http://www.pivx.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "-SIMON-" <simon@...soft.com>
To: "gml" <gml@...ick.net>
Cc: <RMcElroy@....com>; <scheidell@...nap.net>; <tetsujin@...cast.net>;
<full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com>
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] east coast powergrid / SCADA [OT?]


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> Gml,
>     You might want to re-consider that statment.  There are many obvious
> critical "things" connected to the internet that affect our lives.  The
> lack of realization of that is why security is such a big issue.  "Ohh
> that won't affect me"...  "where'd my bank account go?"
>
> Ignorance is bliss until someone with knowledge takes advantage of you.
>
>
> gml wrote:
>
> >I can't image that anything really important would be connected to the
> >internet.  Then again who knows right.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com
> >[mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of
> >RMcElroy@....com
> >Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 3:41 PM
> >To: scheidell@...nap.net; tetsujin@...cast.net
> >Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
> >Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] east coast powergrid / SCADA [OT?]
> >
> >At least on the west coast they do not, I think the requirements of the
> >systems are way out of Microsoft's range. Lot's and Lot's of Unix
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Michael Scheidell [mailto:scheidell@...nap.net]
> >Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 11:36 AM
> >To: tetsujin
> >Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
> >Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] east coast powergrid / SCADA [OT?]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Paller said it is "highly unlikely" that the process control computers
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >>behind critical infrastructure like power in the United States would
> >>run on the Windows operating system.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >well, ONTARIO HYDRO does seem to have SOME windoes boxes.. at least here
> >is one that appears to have been infected with slammer:
> >
> >http://www.hackertrap.net/LID.pl?IID=39335068
> >
> >(Aug 9th through the 12th?)
> >
> >
> >
> >
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