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From: mikebrown at cfl.rr.com (Mike Brown) Subject: Bush Bashing (use to be Has Verisign time arrived ?) Official Troll, please move along. Or as you put it "Get the fuck out." J.A. Terranson wrote: > On Sat, 4 Oct 2003, Dark Avenger wrote: > > >>This isn't the place to discuss political and personal views of our >>country and leadership, but you 2 just opened the door. > > > Ditto. > > >>This is typical liberal dribble attacking our president for an "immoral >>war" and being "weird". > > > While I am personally familiar with "the liberal dribble" which acknowledges > that Shrub has a propensity for immoral acts, I have yet to see the one that > simply accuses him of being "weird". > > >>Your only agenda is to try to discredit an >>administration that finally has some morals and integrity > > > Enron. Halliburton. Killing 7,000 innocent civilians in a war based on > pure lies. > > Ethis? Morals? Pass whatever it is you're smoking down here: I can't afford > shit that good! > > >>and does >>what's right for the country (and even for the ungrateful world >>community), unlike the prior administration. > > > Just because Klinton was also a murderous piece of perjuring dogshit, this > fact does not act in any exculpatory way for Shrub. > > >>Where were your criticisms when the Clinton administation launched >>cruise missles into Iraq without UN approval? > > > Personally, mine weere made public, in an open letter to the bastard > himself. You can find the letter on Google. You can also find (if you look > carefully) the followup report from the secret service. > > >>Where were your criticisms when the Clinton administation attacked >>Serbia without UN, or even Congress' approval? > > > See above. > > >>Where were your criticisms when the Clinton administation bombed an >>aspirin factory? > > > Again, see above. I have clean hands here - I publicly castigated each of > these events. > > >>Now this isn't about the Clinton administration, but it illustrates the >>level of hypocrisy of those that bash the current administration. > > > The hypocrisy that is shown here is yours: your implicit argument is that if > Clinton can get away with it then Shrub should be able to get away with it > too. > > >>Every nation in the UN agreed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, >>so you can't pin the label on the Bush administration, > > > Really? You are obviously listening to a different UN than the rest of us. > > >>as if they lied >>about it and used it as the only reason to liberate the Iraqi people. > > > The fact is, they did lie about it - openly and brazenly, and then they > weren't even smart enough to drop a couple of hundred packets of anthrax > around to "prove" their filthy lies. > > >>This was only 1 of many reasons for going into Iraq, and the liberals >>are trying to cast it as the only reason. > > > The other reasons were so obviously overflowing with Truth that the entire > world (the British Protectorate and Spain excluded) refused to act on Shrub's > demands for mutilateral war. > > >>People like you seem to forget or ignore the 17 UN resolutions that Iraq >>had violated. > > > And what about all of the resolutions that Israel has violated? Why don't we > go in and kill a couple of dozen Israeli's for *that*? Hypocrite. > > >>And how the UN doesn't have enough backbone to enforce >>their own resolutions. > > > We never gave them the chance: we took it on ourselves to act unilaterally, > and now that we're stuck in a war we can neither afford nor win, we're crying > how unfair it is that the rest of the world won't help us. Bullshit. We > deserve every body bag we get. > > >>You seem to forget or ignore the routine and systematic torture and >>execution of political prisoners that Saddam's regime carried out. > > > Neither. It is not/was not/ cannot be our problem. Besides, your Great > Shrub never once claimed that this was a "reason" until AFTER it was obvious > that he had lied (multiple times, places, and ways) to try and justify this > slaughter, and had been caught with his pants down as far as his predecessor > (of course for a different reason). > > >>You seem to forget or ignore their use of chemical weapons against Iran >>that resulted in an estimated 600,000 to 1,000,000 Iraqi Kurd's and >>Iranians dead in 1980 - 1988. > > > And where we YOU when this was happening (it was very common knowledge)? Why > were you not bitching and moaning then? Not convenient? > > >>This in itself proves he had weapons of >>mass destruction, and everyone knows it. > > > Logical fallacy. > > Just because he had them in 1980, does not mean he has them today. But, > while we're on the topic, you seem to be forgetting something: Iraq is a > SOVEREIGN NATION. They have every right to all the WMD they can > manufacture. Just like Israel. Just like the US. > > >>They hid entire squads of >>fighter jets underneath the desert sands, showing how easy it would be >>to hide small barrels of chemical and biological agents. > > > Again with the atraw arguments? > > >>You seem to forget or ignore their invasion of Kuwait in 1990-1991. > > > Which was a non-issue in 2003. What's wrong - can't come up with anything > they actually *did*, so you have to reach for ancient history? If you want > to go down that route, then we should all be nuked for refusing the Jewish > emmigrants from Germany a chance to land here. Yes, that's right, the US was > directly and knowingly responsible for the deaths of *thousands* of Jewish > "boat people". Under your logic, we should be punished for this ~60 year > old crime *today*. > > >>You seem to forget or ignore the bloody mass killings of 30,000 to >>60,000 Kurd's and Shite's in 1991. > > > See above. > > >>You seem to forget or ignore the Rape rooms and imprisoned children and >>execution rooms used regularly by this regime. And how the women were >>suppressed and made 2nd class citizens by not being able to be seen in >>public, or drive, or go to school, or vote (vote? what a laugh, even for >>those who could). > > > See above. > > >>Thank God we finally have an administration that is willing to do what's >>right to protect us all. > > > The only thing Shrub is "protecting" is his wallet: you and me don't count. > > >>This new world we live in since 9/11/2001 (of >>course you've forgotten about that too, I'm sure) > > > Oh. The world has changed because Bush says so? Or because the US finally > got the bloody nose it has had coming for decades? > > >>requires us to take >>the battle to the terrorists and their allies before they take it to us. > > > Every petty dictator and despot in history has used this "logic". All Shrub > did by adopting it was lose whatever moral authority he may have started > with. He's used this to make a mockery of entire concept of "justice". > > >>Do you actually think for one minute that Iraq wouldn't hand over WMD to >>terrorists with the intent of using them on our homeland? > > > I believe they would have. > > That said, we need to ask ourselves *why* this is the case. Doctor, heal > thyself... > > >>This is a >>pro-active approach to warding off terrorism before it hits again. > > > This is the schoolyard bully throwing his weight around. And just like in > school, he's eventually going to piss off enough folkes that they bring the > "war" back to his doorstep - Shrub is leading the idiot cattle to the > slaughter with this crap. > > >>If >>this administration hadn't taken this approach, and then we had an >>attack on LA, or San Francisco, or any other place in the US, then you >>would have been bashing the administration for not protecting you. > > > I think you are confusing Bin Laden and Hussein. Common mistake among the "I > just became a political expert by watching Bush crowd". That aside, I would > appreciate it if my government would stick to "protecting" me by not making > me a target. STop financing genocide around the world, and the world will be > less likely to want to retailiate in kind. > > >>If >>France, or Germany, or any other nation on this earth had been attacked >>like we were, then who do you think would be the first people they >>called upon to help them out? And we would have done it without hesitation. > > > Um, yeah.... Riiiighhhttttt... > > >>I could go on and on, but this has already turned out to be longer than >>I expected. > > > Yes. And you have managed to make quite a fool of yourself while we were > here. > > >>But we should all be grateful for the actions this >>administration is taking to make sure we are safer in our homes, despite >>the bashings of liberals like you. > > > Safer in our homes??? Oh. You mean, I'm safer, because instead of having to > worry about "a terrorist" breaking into my home and killing me in the middle > of the night, it's only likely to be a bunch of cops dressed in black Kevlar > who shoot up the place while they pursue The War On <fill in your favorite > boogeyman here>. Oh, and if they shoot up the wrong place, maybe kill a > couple of innocent people - it was worth it, right? After all, if you > werenet *really* a criminal, you'd have no complaints. Hypocrite fuck. > > >>God Bless the USA, and yes, the President too > > > The USA needs a 200 megaton enema, with Ground Zero set firmly on Shrubs flat > little ass. >
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