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From: b29651 at charter.net (brenda) Subject: Anti-MS drivel if the services like samba and apache werent on by default on mandrake then linux would be ready for grandma..let me clarify that just a little , in mandrake 9.0 they are turned on if you want internet/networking urpmi is extremely easy for updating mandrake but i prefer to use command line only because if i miss a few updates i can run into some rpm dependency issues and with commandline i dont seem to.if linux was preloaded i believe it would be far better received than people think.make sure to tell them that this might not be suitable for certain games and that drivers arent available for certain products.with it preloaded tho you end a lot of issues. br3n