From: full-disclosure at home.nl (Full-Disclosure)
Subject: IE

Guys guys girls,

Please im trying to hack, test, read, be 'up to date' & learn from the 
full-disclosure-lists. Not learning or be teached economics, politics, 
religion, ethics or beliefs, ( then ill go to MS ;-)
With all due respect to all, please keep this topic for a yahoo 
forum/chat somewhere for those interested.

Please,
has some one some nice info on some nice code?

Rgds
Daxomatic



Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu wrote:

>On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:12:30 PDT, Cory Crawford said:
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>>What's interesting is how many jackasses are out there defending these guys 
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>
>What's interesting is people who can't identify the difference between
>"defending" and "understanding". And if you paid attention, I never said we
>don't do Bad Things ourselves - "they're not that different than us" cuts
>*both* ways.....
>
>To make it on-topic - if you're trying to do security, you have to *understand*
>your opponent.  You don't have to defend a black-hat's mindset - but you're
>pretty well screwed trying to stop a black hat if you don't have at least a
>clue of what the black hat's motivations are.
>
>Similarly, if you base your defences against suicide bombers on the theory that
>they're all poor, uneducated, and suicidal, you won't do a very good job in
>stopping the majority of them that are intelligent and well-educated and motivated
>to reclaim their country.
>
>Remember the "Afghani freedom fighters" that we funded to get the Soviets out
>of Afghanistan?  Yep.. that's where al Quada came from.  And it's foolish on
>our part to call them "freedom fighters" when they're trying to throw *our*
>enemy (the Soviets) out of *their* country, and then be upset when they're
>trying to throw *us* out of *their* country...  Failure on our part to
>understand that - in the terrorist's view - they're just as morally justified
>as the French Resistance was during World War II, and for the same reasons
>(removing morally reprehensible invaders from your own country), merely
>guarantees that we can't "win" that war..
>
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>>Where's the outrage of the slavery and rape being condone by governments in
>>Africa, India, and other countries? You should really try thinking on your own
>>and doing research in more places than your political wacko websites and movies
>>by insane conspiracy theorists. 
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>You're making the extremely dubious assumption that just because the outrage
>isn't on this list, that it doesn't exist. Remember, the "designated protest zone"
>is several blocks over, where nobody can see it... :)
>
>The news regarding the military history of the recently surrendered terrorist
>and the loss of GW Bush's military records were both carried on CNN and other
>major news services.  I *will* however admit that pointing out the
>juxtaposition of the two was due to that "political wacko conspiracy theorist"
>Jay Leno...
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>>Your ignorance and hate of yourselves and human beings in general is worse
>>than stupid. It's pitful. 
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>What's *really* pitiful is your typing that in response to my posting, which
>was attempting to dispel ignorance.....
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>>One day you will learn this and it'll be likely that this lesson will be
>>learned as those whom you praise are blowing your stupid butts to oblivion. 
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>It's far more likely that my butt will be blown to oblivion due to my failure to
>*understand* my opponent, than due to my non-existent attempt to praise them.
>
>And that's why I make an attempt to *understand* the adversary...
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