From: nick at ethicsdesign.com (Nick Jacobsen)
Subject: Scandal: IT Security firm hires the author of Sasser worm

I am not disagreeing with that at all - I wholeheartedly agree in fact.  The point of my little rant was that we are being told that the easiest way to make the big bucks is to attack a high profile target, which is a dangerous path to take - for both the IT industry and the individual.

	-----Original Message----- 
	From: Todd Towles [mailto:toddtowles@...okshires.com] 
	Sent: Mon 9/20/2004 8:08 AM 
	To: Nick Jacobsen 
	Cc: 
	Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Scandal: IT Security firm hires the author of Sasser worm
	
	

	I agree it is a bad trend, but security is a double edged sword.
	
	Security people are rare in this world, some are good at protection,
	some are good at breaking. But the line between is grey.
	Sometime it is good to have a little of both on your team from a
	security standpoint but project a bad social image.
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com
	[mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of Nick
	Jacobsen
	Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 9:11 AM
	To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
	Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Scandal: IT Security firm hires the
	author of Sasser worm
	
	Does it not strike anyone that there is a disturbing trend in malicious
	hackers (yes, yes, I know, they are not hackers if they are malicious,
	so call em whatever you want) getting hired to security firms, mainly
	because the "hacker" gets media attention?  It is honestly like we are
	declaring to the world that the best way to get a good paying job in the
	computer security field is to perform some major attack - and get caught
	for it - and then after serving a short sentace, start applying for
	jobs.  I know lots of young people, myself included, that could make
	headlines by performing some act or another of a sensational nature, and
	all that stops us is our own sense of ethics - but those ethics get
	harder and harder to hold as we earn a pittance doing your standard
	boring days work, while some other guy is out there essentially (in my
	mind) having fun doing some detrimental to society, and then getting
	hired at a substantial salary, as a reward.
	This may sound like a rant, and it probably is, but that makes my point
	no less accurate.
	Responses anyone?
	
	Nick Jacobsen
	nick@...icsdesign.com
	
	
	        -----Original Message-----
	        From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com on behalf of bb
	        Sent: Mon 9/20/2004 3:32 AM
	        To: Feher Tamas; full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
	        Cc:
	        Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Scandal: IT Security firm hires
	the author of Sasser worm
	       
	       
	
	        If he has fulfilled all the obligation of his sentence, whats
	wrong with him
	        being allowed to seek gainful employment that plays to his
	skills?
	       
	        Second chance anyone? Being allowed to learn from his mistakes?
	       
	       
	        ----- Original Message -----
	        From: "Feher Tamas" <etomcat@...email.hu>
	        To: <full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com>
	        Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 10:21 AM
	        Subject: [Full-Disclosure] Scandal: IT Security firm hires the
	author of
	        Sasser worm
	       
	       
	        > Hello,
	        >
	        > The german IT security company "Securepoint" has hired Sven
	        > Jaschan, who wrote and spread the Sasser Internet worm,
	        > which caused widespread and costly damages to legions of
	        > Windows computers.
	        >
	        > He will work as a developer for security softwares such as
	        > firewalls.
	        >
	        > This is a scandal! Whether or not you like the 250k USD
	        > head-hunting bounty which Microsoft Corp. paid to have Mr.
	        > Jaschan nailed, he is still a criminal.  Hiring him is a
	        > taboo. It is totally unacceptable to picture him as a modern
	        > age Robin Hood or freedom fighter. He is a criminal, similar
	        > to an arsonist, who sets a house alight and the fire spreads
	        > to an entire city.
	        >
	        > I urge all to boycott the Securepoint and I urge those who
	        > suffered losses due to the Sasser worm to sue Securepoint
	        > and seek damages. VXing must end and we must send a strong
	        > message to teenagers that cracking is not hacking and will
	        > not be tolerated.
	        >
	        > Securepoint website:
	        > http://www.securepoint.cc/
	        >
	        > Info about Sven Jaschan's hiring:
	        > http://www.f-secure.com/weblog#00000296
	        >
	        > Sincerely: Tamas Feher from Hungary.
	        >
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