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Date: Mon Dec 19 04:22:08 2005 From: jpole at jcpa.com (Jamie C. Pole) Subject: [Clips] A small editorial about recent events.(fwd) Was that a joke? I love Germany (it's one of the 24 countries that I have worked in, by the way), but be realistic. All ethnocentrism aside, I'm not sure that welfare economies that tax the living daylights out of those lucky enough to have a job are a good idea. JCP On Dec 18, 2005, at 10:14 PM, GroundZero Security wrote: > "we in the USA are still the luckiest people on Earth." > i would not count on that. i feel much saver/happy here in germany. > > "We've got it better than any other country on Earth." > lol yeah right.. in your dreamworld maybe. did you even leave usa > before ? > i doubt that. > > "If you like some other place better, please feel free to move > yourself there." > yes thank you! i like it much more here in my country so i stay :-) > i just have to fear that usa starts to take over the world thats > all i have to worry about here. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jamie C. Pole" <jpole@...a.com> > To: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk> > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:04 AM > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Clips] A small editorial about > recent events.(fwd) > > >> >> I'm sorry, but I was also FAR too close to one of the 09/11 attacks. >> While I agree that giving up (supposedly) certain civil liberties is >> most decidedly not a good thing, we need to remember one key point - >> the same liberal whiners that are complaining about the monitoring of >> certain targeted individuals would be shitting themselves to get in >> line to scream about the President not doing enough to protect us if >> there was another attack. This was not a blanket wiretap against >> every citizen that made a telephone call to London. These taps were >> conducted under defined circumstances. If you are not a terrorist, >> and do not associate with terrorists, you have nothing to worry >> about. The indignation being shown by the liberals right now is >> shocking - this information was not news to anyone within Congress >> (from either party) that was in a position to know it. >> >> What good are civil liberties if you are being buried in a mass grave >> as a victim of another terrorist attack? Are you going to try to >> exercise your freedom of speech from beyond the grave? >> >> I like Perry - he used to work for me back in the 90's, but he is >> wrong about this. >> >> I know all of the cliches about freedom never being lost all at once, >> and societies willing to trade freedom for security deserving neither >> and having none (I know I butchered that one - my apologies to the >> original author), and all of the other little jabs that liberals are >> falling back on right now, but like him or not, there has not been >> another attack on our homeland since 09/11. Difficult decisions need >> to be made from time to time, and Bush is making them. I think it's >> hysterical that most of the loudest of the loudmouths were strangely >> silent when Clinton did many of the same things. >> >> Even with a government that is actively protecting us from these >> terrorist scumbags, we in the USA are still the luckiest people on >> Earth. We've got it better than any other country on Earth. If you >> like some other place better, please feel free to move yourself >> there. >> >> JCP >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >>
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