Date: Wed Dec 28 14:46:23 2005
From: leife at dls.net (Leif Ericksen)
Subject: Spy Agency Mined Vast Data Trove

If the traffic goes through a US based HOP anticipate that it will be
monitored.  They do not care where you are from.  IT passes through the
US it will be monitored since it has a foreign start and end point.  

Now is your traffic legit?  Are you moving legal money around? Are you a
drug dealer legal or otherwise?  Are you a dealing with other items that
might be illegal in the US and are trying to get them here via Canada?

If it is Canada to Brazil and does not touch US routing anticipate your
own government as well as the Canadian government to be monitoring your
traffic leaving the us completely out of the picture.  

IT is so easy for people to pick on the USA.  But, they may fear their
own government or say "our government does not do that".  To whit I
would say Bull Shit, wake up and smell the coffee.  Again it is easy to
pick on the US we are allowed to speak out against our government to a
point at least.  I would say ALL governments that have Internet traffic
will monitor it it some way shape or form, even more so for the stuff
that leaves their countries boarders.

--
Lhe


On Wed, 2005-12-28 at 12:20 -0200, Rodrigo Barbosa wrote:
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> On Wed, Dec 28, 2005 at 07:59:10AM -0600, Leif Ericksen wrote:
> > Actually after reading some of the the comments I have to say you all
> > missed the point...  *IF* you are not doing *nothing illegal* and have
> > nothing to hide no big deal.
> 
> Talk about missing the point ...
> 
> > "I do not want the Government to see my banking info"
> > HUM, did you ever hear of the SSN?  Are you putting massive amounts of
> > cash that can not be accounted for into your bank?  BUT wait what is the
> > limit it used to be $10,000US that if you moved that much money you had
> > to fill out some papers as to why you were moving that money.  So the
> > government will know.
> 
> Lemme try explaining it to you using more words.
> 
> Do I want the USA Government to see my brazilian banking information,
> considering I'm a brazilian citizen that might be traveling to 
> Canada ? Including my PIN and password and such other stuff ?
> 
> The point is that the NSA (et al) can't know beforehand if the
> trafic they are monitoring is something they are allowed to monitor,
> so they have to check it all. What right, or even reason, do they 
> have to monitor banking traffic originated in Canada with Brazil as
> the destination ?
> 
> > Again, if all you actions are legit they will soon go away and leave you
> > alone. 
> 
> Yes, in a perfect world, run by perfect law abiding people, which is
> not the case of ANY government, or even any institution. Unfortuntely,
> on the world we live in, powers are more often abused than not.
> 
> > I will admit this...  I live in a state where we have an electronic
> > device in our car that is used on the tollway that pays your fees for
> > being on the road.  
> 
> We have those around here too, but you can choose not to use it, and pay
> in cash at the booth. It is a PITA not using it, but you have a choice.
> 
> - -- 
> Rodrigo Barbosa <rodrigob@...spammers.org>
> "Quid quid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur"
> "Be excellent to each other ..." - Bill & Ted (Wyld Stallyns)
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