Date: Fri Dec 30 10:16:53 2005
From: oscar.fajardo at atosorigin.com (Oscar Fajardo)
Subject: [WAY OFF TOPIC] complaints about
	thegovernemntspying!


  So this is your way to "do something":

    * Sopporting the Contra army in Nicaragua WAS TERRORISM.

    * Supporting Hern?ndez Mart?nez in El Salvador WAS TERRORISM.

    * The CIA-assisted overthrow in 1953 of Iran's prime minister Mohammed
Mossadegh (who had advocated nationalizing the country's oil supplies) WAS
TERRORISM.

    * The CIA-assisted removal of Guatemala?s President Jacobo Arbenz Guzman
(primarily because of his attempts to nationalize 500,000 acres of land
owned by Boston?s United Fruit Company) WAS TERRORISM.

    *  The CIA-assisted murder of Salvador Allende (Chile) and the supported
regime of Pinochet (Another "cold blooded killer" like Saddam) WAS
TERRORISM.

    * The CIA-supported murder of Patrice Lumumba (Congo) in 1961 and the
supported regime of Mobutu Sese Seko (as "cold blooded killer" as Saddam is)
WAS TERRORISM.

    * CIA supported Dominican dictator Trujillo (who executed 15,000
Haitians). Maybe another "cold blooded killer" like Saddam? This also WAS
TERRORISM.

    And another  "humanitarian actions" like: Cuba (1898), Puerto Rico
(1898), Philipines (1898), Honduras (1899), Colombia (1900), Panam? (1903),
Dominican Republic (1905), Hait? (1915), El Salvador (1932), Bolivia (1946),
Per? (1948), Tahiland (1948), Corea (1950), Ir?n (1953), Paraguay (1954),
Guatemala (1954), L?bano (1958), Vietnam (1962), Brasil (1964), Indonesia
(1965), Argentina (1966), Camboya (1968), Laos (1971), Uruguay (1972),
Angola (1976), Granada (1983), Libia (1986), Irak (1991), Somalia (1992),
Sud?n and Afganist?n (1998) WAS TERRORISM.

  Trust me, lots of people from every places in the world would prefer that
your government don't "do a damn thing".

  Just my little contribution to the Christmas noise.

-----Mensaje original-----
De: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
[mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] En nombre de Exibar
Enviado el: viernes, 30 de diciembre de 2005 4:23
Para: zap zoid
CC: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Asunto: Re: [Full-disclosure][WAY OFF TOPIC] complaints about
thegovernemntspying!


I am sick and tired of posts like this....I don't see any else's government
doing a damn thing about it, at least we're friggin DOING SOMETHING.....
While other countries sit blindly on their rear-ends....  Ok, that's not
entirely fair, UK is helping and so are a few others, you know what would
happen if we all pulled out?  Chaos...  total chaos.....  
I don't care if we attacked Iraq because Saddam has hemorrhoids on his
asshole... He was a cold blooded killer and deserves what he'll get in
trial.... someone had to have the balls to stand up and bring him to
justice.....

If you're not happy with the war in Iraq tell someone who really friggin
cares, if you're not happy with your country move the freak out or change
it, if your not happy with my country, tell someone who cares, and stay the
freak out of it......oh and while your at it, stop watching any movie that
is made here, stop eating McDonalds, BurgerKing, stop using our products...
if you don't like us why use anything that was made here or by an
American????

  Don't bother replying on list, or at all really, I'll not pollute this
list worse than this one message on this subject and won't get pulled into a
"my country is better than your country" argument either..... 

 Exibar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: zap zoid 
To: Paul Schmehl 
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk 
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure][WAY OFF TOPIC] complaints about the
governemntspying!


Since when did Iraq have terrorists? I thought you guys were going in to rid
them of weapons of mass instruction. 

After nearly 16 years and your government still has yet to find these so
called weapons. I have more mitre listings then Iraq has weapons op Mass
instruction.... 

--tada


On 12/29/05, Paul Schmehl <pauls@...allas.edu> wrote: 
--On December 29, 2005 11:21:09 PM +0100 fok yo <yoo.fok@...il.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Paul!
>
>       What do you think about obeying the list charter and at least try 
> to tie your degenerate apologist misrepresentations of the world into
> information security somehow?
>
> <APPLAUS/>
> Can't but second this.
>
Interesting charter.  Folks can blather on and on about how bad the US is, 
how evil Bush is, make all sorts of outrageous, unsupportable claims, but
the first time someone calls them on it, we cry, "Wah, wah, you're not
obeying the charter!"

I understand you guys like to spew this crap unimpeded.  I just enjoy 
throwing a monkey wrench in the works every now and then.  Don't like it?
Then shut up and go back to discussing security issues.

Paul Schmehl (pauls@...allas.edu)
Adjunct Information Security Officer
University of Texas at Dallas
AVIEN Founding Member
http://www.utdallas.edu/
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