Date: Fri Mar 10 23:45:08 2006
From: fd at g-0.org (GroundZero Security)
Subject: For Sale: Security Vulnerability
	DatabaseCompany 

Thank you, your reply just shows how imature you really are. Its funny how you try to talk yourself out of the domain thing,
but it wont help as everyone here on the list already knows what pathetic loosers you are and by trying to downplay my company
you think you manage to get your never existing reputation back ? get a life ! However there is no need to accuse us of any
attacks against you, since we wont go down to that level. I dont know why i even answer to this, i dont want to be the reason why
you trolls post on FD again. It was all fine without you talking bullshit all the time. Another funny thing is that you call me attention
seeker while you do everything to promote your lame little google/yahoo whatever group.. you just dont get it, we dont want you here.
I thought you finally understood it a while back when everyone on this list told you to stop posting 

your secret service story is complete bullshit too, do you really think anyone here on this list doesnt laugh about they way you try to 
justify your pathetic nonsense ? and why would the secret service look for you if you help the big players to secure their network ?
many big players are government funded you know :-P

the next thing is, why you think _every_ professional and serious security company has a website ? you think an CEO would hire 
you guys after seeing your kiddie page which has no real contact information ? why you need to hide if you work on the legal side ? 
god your story just plain sucks and its just a way you try to get attention. The good thing is, noone of the real skilled people will fall for you,
as your story is too bad. You think insulting me makes you look l33t or professional? it just shows who you really are, a bunch of kids
without any clue and too much time on their hands. now please go back to irc and play hacker. XSS the planet !

well whatever now been enough time wasted writing this reply.. if you have problems with me feel free to email me 
and try to make me belive how l33t you are, but leave the FD people alone, they dont care if you have problems with me and 
if you belive i would care that you try to make me look bad on FD then your wrong as its actually pretty much entertaining, however
probably not for the whole list. But by mailing only me you cant show off right ? ;-) now whos attention seeking......

so long kidz...  

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: System Outage 
  To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk 
  Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 10:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] For Sale: Security Vulnerability DatabaseCompany 


  Greetings, GroundZero Security,

  I don't believe http://g-0.org is all that pioneering, infact its pretty much a boring website. The n3td3v group is at the cutting edge of bringing breaking news to the security community from various news sources throughout cyber space. We also work closely with our relationships within the security industry to bring about saftey and security to the major dot-com players globally. We believe in a free democratic web, where people can utilise our database and security news wire resource. We break the news thats happening around the world, as it happens, in one easy to use, fully functional professional global operation. We are responsible for diverting major attacks upon some of the biggest names in the corporate circuit, just because sad kiddo hiding behind a "GroundZero Security" name doesn't read about it on f-d doesn't mean its not happening. We have folks from around the cor porate and underground industry signed up to our members list, and we continue to power ahead and grow stronger with our public operation over at Google Groups, and further more, behind closed doors in the underground. You may have an opinion, but its trashed into our mail bin everytime. Keep the feedback coming. As for buying a domain, you're kidding right? "Buy" a domain? Tut tut, you're not upto date with things are you. I don't think any security group is about to buy a domain, and further more, allow everyone to investigate the source. While we're at Google, we're protected from the data protection law under Google, and if folks from the secret service want to get information into us, then they can go through the courts, have a nice day and stuff. ;-) We're globally massive right now, while http://g-0.org remains a wet fart on the sad side of life, yeah dude, eat your moms pussy out and have a nice life, arse hole. We might buy a domain if its wit h your credit card, he he. However that was a nice attempt to take our yahoo cookie a few months ago using a disclosed vulnerability you didn't find. You setup an embedded script into a legitimate f-d thread and sent it to n3td3v@...oo dot com, even tho that account isn't subscribed to f-d, it stuck out like a sore thumb and it was sent straight to our relationships over at security at yahoo-inc.com. Ha ha ha, keep your bullshit coming, theres more than enough of us to wipe you off the face of the earth. Keep your shit coming, its bound to give us entertainment, to laugh and point fingers at your pathetic lameness, and of course, http://g-0.org is the leetest site known to all the security communtiy. Yes, you're leading the way in security, not us, how could we forget. There you have it, plenty of quotes to keep the kiddie community of f-d entertained. I'm sure the certified security professionals will appreciate your lame ramblings against the international n3td3v security group. Lame ramblings, which are of course going to follow this message, because as history has proved in the past, you just can't help yourself, mr attention seeker. Keep the shit coming. And of course, we look towards http://g-0.org's source code for mad HTML tips! :):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):) Copy and paste quote snips from that, we'll be back with another chunk of data to bounce your opinion off ours. Dickhead...

  Best wishes and wet farts and stuff,

  n3td3v

  GroundZero Security <fd@....org> wrote:
    Noone takes a google group serious get a r eal domain.
    the n3td3v thing is just a site thrown together so they can
    put up adsense and make some cash. It looks totally unprofessional,
    yet they claim its build from "software developers, international hackers, 
    security researchers, online media journalists, system administrators, 
    incident response professionals, top thinkers and security aware peoples"
    and not even one of them has skills in html or even 10 bucks to buy a domain?
    yeah right......... :-)
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: System Outage 
      To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk 
      Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 10:14 PM
      Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] For Sale: Security Vulnerability DatabaseCompany 


      Thats a complete exaduration actually, theres no query on the group that would come up with 5,000 results. The n3td3v group engine is pretty accurate, and displays perfect technical detail documentation, and additionally, (if required) can offer related and even off shoot background discussion into a particular vulnerability at the time of its disclosure. To say an ntp search would come up with 5,00 0 unrelated results is completely barbaric. I think the source to your hatred is with the founder ('n3td3v') rather than the group its self which offers a great resource to anyone in the security field. Of course, if you can provide conclusive evidence to the contrary, do get in touch with the list, providing indepth audit information relating to your claim.

      Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu wrote: 
        On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 05:46:03 PST, System Outage said:

        > Why would someone buy a security vulnerability database company? Theres
        > already free security vulnerability databases out there. Try this one I
        > recently found, you can search for anything you want http://groups.google.com/
        > group/n3td3v and its free.

        Geez. Somebody hand me a sharp wooden stake, a good mallet, and some garlic
        and holy water just in case... ;)

        I 'm sure you can *search* for anything you want there. The value of a database
        is, however, directly related to its ability to return useful information.

        5,000 postings that all say "wow leet hole in ntp a few years ago" is worth
        nowhere near as much as one detailed technical posting of how that exploit
        leveraged a one-byte buffer overrun into a complete rooting of the box....




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