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Date: Wed May 17 16:09:28 2006
From: Pete.Simpson at clearswift.com (Pete Simpson)
Subject: **LosseChange::Debunk it??**

Paul,

Again I will simply say, refute the data, the principles or the logic.
Furthermore 'ad hominem' attacks just diminish your position.

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
[mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Paul
Schmehl
Sent: 17 May 2006 15:58
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] **LosseChange::Debunk it??**

Pete Simpson wrote:
> Paul,
> 
> Of all people you surprise me with this dishonest trick of argument - 
> appeal to authority. Challenge either the data, the principles or the 
> logic.
> 
Oh spare me.  "Appeal to authority"?  What a joke.  You can read the
analysis yourself.  It's publicly available.

Dr. Thomas Eager, a materials and structural engineer at MIT was one of
the experts who examined the towers' collapse.  Here's some of his
thoughts: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/collapse.html

Much, much more here. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/

> The buildings 1,2 and 7 fell at near free fall time 10 seconds. Any 
> undergraduate should be able to calculate the minimum time for pancake

> collapse as at least 90 seconds.
>
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/dyk.html

"Each building collapsed in about ten seconds, hitting the ground with
an estimated speed of about 125 miles per hour."

"The collapse was a near free-fall. With no restraint, the collapse
would have taken eight seconds and would have impacted at about 185
miles per hour."

My goodness.  Looks like your calculations are wrong.

[snipped most of the foolishness]

> 
> One simple, physically-feasible mechanism for each floor to present no

> resistance to the floors falling from above was for each floor to fail

> due to explosive charges timed to coincide precisely with the fall of 
> the floor above. This is known as a 'controlled demolition' and when 
> planned and executed correctly results in an orderly destruction, so 
> that the building collapses on its own footprint in near free-fall 
> time, as did the WTC Twin Towers.
> 
Sure, Pete.  All we have to believe is that an entire crew of workers,
working for weeks, carefully planted explosive charges in the right
places, concealing all the evidence of same and ***not being seen by
anyone who questioned their presence*** IN BOTH TOWERS, hauling in tons
of high explosives and wiring and detonators, etc., etc., drilling
through concrete without being noticed and running all these wires out
to a hidden location without anyone seeing anything and then waiting for
two planes to hit the buildings so they could detonate their charges
without anyone noticing what they were up to.

I'm surprised that you would be so gullible.

--
Paul Schmehl (pauls@...allas.edu)
Adjunct Information Security Officer
The University of Texas at Dallas
http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/
.edu/ir/security/

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