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Date: Sun Jun 4 09:44:38 2006 From: n3td3v at gmail.com (n3td3v) Subject: people On 6/4/06, tom thurgo <tomthurgo@...il.com> wrote: > Dear active participants! > > Please don't feed the trolls (1). > > I beg you. > > [insert name here] will just reply to all your emails and continue if he is > given space to express himself. Please delete the emails and IGNORE them to > make this list readable. > > If you feel like replying/flamling/wasting (YOUR OWN) time please do it > off-list. > > This applies to any troll, not just a particular one. > > > Thank you, > Tom Thurgo > > > 1, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll > > _______________________________________________ > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. > Charter: > http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html > Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > Hi, It is of course the people who reply to my announcements calling me or the group a moron who are the troll. All I had done was tell a mailing list I had a Microsoft Live OneCare zero-day and told people where to find the vulnerability and exploit code. Of course the n3td3v bashers (The trolls) who replied to this in a rude manner are the ones who spoil FD. n3td3v isn't the troll or the one ruining the list, its the n3td3v bashers who want to say how lame n3td3v and the n3td3v group is are the trolls. People (The trolls) can't deal with n3td3v and the n3td3v group being one of the biggest groups around. They want to try and discredit everything n3td3v does. They want to call us kiddies, they want to say we're only 18 years old, they want to say anything to make sure no one takes us seriously, so they post replies to our announcements to provoke us into replying, and we do reply, if only to defend our stance as the biggest security group around (which we are). The next time we announce something on the list, we would love it if no one replied, we don't want n3td3v basher trolls onFD as much as anyone else. We don't say call us morons and flood FD with comments about n3td3v announcements, post troll weblinks for wikipedia and flood FD with lets moderate FD messages, its other people. The original n3td3v announcements are always on topic and talk about a vulnerability we're discovered or a rant about a security related current affair we feel strongly on, this is allowed by the charter, this is on topic this is what FD is for, this is what we do. It is not trolling, again, the trolls are the n3td3v bashers, the ones who don't believe there is a n3td3v group (because all they can see from the surface is one person and a google group, maybe the idea of 'underground' passed them by, who knows). The google group isn't the 'underground' group we talk about. The google group is of course what it is, a central hub of open news sources for people to connect to and read whats going on, via public data communications. (While this may seem a group, it isn't 'the' group. when we talk about 'n3td3v is the biggest underground group on the internet today', that is of course underground not the google group, it is something you cannot see, and cannot understand, because its out of the reach of the public. We're a group of home and corporate users who get together to discuss security and hacking and look at ways to beat the bad guys into breaking into corporate infrastructure (Google, Yahoo, Microsoft) and report this to vendors and sometimes to the security community. Low level vulnerabilities are sent to public lists (FD) like cross-site scripting, while anything 'critical' or 'high risk' stays between our 'underground' group (not the google group) and the vendor. Apart from special circumstances like Microsoft's OneCare who we disagree with them making money from their own software flaws. Regards, n3td3v (the biggest troll, according to fd!)
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