Date: Tue Jul  4 18:56:33 2006
From: mducharme at cybergeneration.com (Maxime Ducharme)
Subject: Corporate Virus Threats


reading this message I feel you are not happy
on FD which *looks* to be ran by a mass
of trolls

John Cartwright probably have good reasons not
to respond

there is an unsubscribe function, I hope you will
find and use it

Maxime Ducharme


-----Message d'origine-----
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[mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] De la part de n3td3v
Envoy? : 3 juillet, 2006 16:08
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Objet : Re: [Full-disclosure] Corporate Virus Threats

On 6/30/06, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> wrote:
> On 6/30/06, Antczak, Ed <Ed.Antczak@....com> wrote:
> >
> > I second the motion.
> > An opportunity to focus and filter the broad spectrum of security issues
> > is welcome if possible.
> >
> > Edwin Antczak
> > Windows Engineer
>
> I see a major loophole here, as we don't know how much traffic on the
> dedicated securityfocus lists are being moderated, and the potential
> useful information being turned away.
>
> Sure, script kid flames may be anti-social, but even they are useful
> to a certain audience. (government, law inforcement)
>
> I see a big blackspot right now where high profile moderation of
> serious security topics are being moderated into the Securityfocus
> profit margin model, than protecting the needs of consumer and
> corporate interests.
>
> Its time for an open source full disclosure alternative to the
> Securityfocus list-set, in order to really know whats going on,
> because you can bet even the stuff the Securityfocus moderators get to
> see, is passed onto Symantecs intelligence engine, even if the
> moderator doesn't let the thread go live on the securityfocus lists.
>
> I.e. Symantec are getting so much more information than the average
> joe, via the intelligence post to moderators, than the public gets to
> see, and that frustrates me.
>
> Symantec have a huge intelligence facility in England, its an old
> nulcear bunker with huge steal doors, where they compile intelligence
> data sent to the list moderators, and only a small percentage of that
> goes live to the public.
>
> We need more lists, so people can cross post and see whats really
> getting sent to Securityfocus moderators and rejected in all security
> specialized subjects, not just new bug disclosure.

John Cartwright hasn't responded to my calls to have multiple FD lists, so
n3td3v mailing list is the only alternative you need if you're getting
bored with Full-Disclosure and Bugtraq, learn more
http://n3td3v.googlepages.com/community
We're fast approaching 1500 members, and are growing very strongly
right now as one of the biggest mailing lists outside of the
Full-Disclosure and Bugtraq bubble of smoke screens and propaganda. If
like me you're sick of the countless trolls on Full-Disclosure who
disrespect your advisories, then start posting your vulnerabilities to
n3td3v@...glegroups.com. We're unmoderated and adhere to freedom of
speech on any topics, even if you spam us, we won't ban you... thats
how laid back our policy is. If not, just bully John Cartwright into
upgrading Full-Disclosure and force him to add more mailing lists, to
cover specialized subjects, like Securityfocus already has. Until then
try... http://n3td3v.googlepages.com/community for unmoderated news
and discussion on specialized subjects. We're the only real
alternative to Securityfocus's moderated specialized lists, because
John Cartwright won't upgrade! Peace, your friend, n3td3v. Yet again,
we call for John Cartwright to upgrade Full-Disclosure, so people
don't need to use our mailing list.

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