Date: Tue Jul 11 17:10:25 2006
From: PPowenski at oag.com (PPowenski@....com)
Subject: Re: [WEB SECURITY] Cross Site Scripting in
	Google

As long as there are NO RULES i.e. standards which companies MUST adhere
to in order to ensure an application is built for suitability for
purpose and a basic set of security principles the current state of
software development will continue. 
There will be those large software vendors which will bend to pressure
from large corporations but without a LEGAL framework the huge numbers
of small to middle size applications vendors who would prefer smoke and
mirrors will continue with that theme since it is zero cost.




-----Original Message-----
From: tcp fin [mailto:inet_inaddr@...oo.com] 
Sent: 11 July 2006 05:30
To: Martin O'Neal; drfrancky@...urax.org; RSnake
Cc: bugtraq@...security.net; full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk;
bugtraq@...urityfocus.com; webappsec@...urityfocus.com;
websecurity@...appsec.org
Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] Re: [WEB SECURITY] Cross Site Scripting
in Google


Hey Martin , 
I agree with u partly but there are vendors out there
in the market who has Dont know DOnt care attitude. If
thats the case after idetifying and exploiting the vulnerability in the
same vendor product , I personally would not like to waste my and your
time with vendor who did not give us fav response before. 
I would refrain from taking names but I have seen that happening in the
past and still some of those vul are existing in those products. However
no one can deny Full Disclosure with responsibility the responsible
Disclosure !!! Regards, 
TCP-FIN


--- Martin O'Neal <martin.oneal@...saire.com> wrote:

> 
> > my opinion is that full disclosure is not for
> vendors ..
> > it's for users. full disclosure is for us to know
> how to
> > react on certain threads.
> 
> Which is just fine if you are technically competent
> to understand the
> threat, and there is also a valid mitigating
> strategy you can employ
> immediately.  For the vast majority of situations
> though, this just
> isn't the case.  The users are not technically
> competent enough to
> understand the true threat posed by an entry on a
> news group (which are
> generally hopelessly incomplete and/or factually
> inaccurate) and then
> this is coupled with a vulnerable product that may
> be essential,
> difficult to protect, and a stable official fix that
> may be weeks or
> months away from delivery.
> 
> I personally also believe in full disclosure, but it
> has to be delivered
> in a responsible fashion.  Dispatching
> vulnerabilities to a public list
> without even attempting to contact the vendor is
> clearly not in the best
> interest of the vendors nor the great majority of
> the user base.
> 
> Martin...
> 
> 
> 
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