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Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 23:06:54 +0200
From: Anders B Jansson <hdw@...listi.se>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: OT - Check this out - Full disclosure is apt
	for this

Now take a deep breath and chill out.
Noone has contradicted any of your claims, not here, not on wikipedia.

The only thing that has been said is that one single individual of the
many that reports on those issues has been discovered as a fake.

I for one is sure that a lot of what this and what other individuals have
reported is true and has happened.
But that doesn't mean that everyone who claims to have inside information
has.

And given that this individual is such an obvious fake using his statements
is actually hurting the truth, not helping it.

> trick Saudi Arabia that Sadam Hussein was attacking their border to allow
> army convoys to be deployed in their country,

Just had to comment on this one.
The trick they used was the known fact that Iraq occupied Kuwait.
Which isn't exaclty regarded as a trick, given that it was acknowleged
by all parties.

But I still think that the US 'liberation' if Iraq is one of the most 
stupid, and possibly criminal, acts of foreign policy that has occured
for many many years.

And on this day when we remember the 3000 unarmed civilians who died in
the US I just hope that we don't forget the 30000 unarmed civilians who
died in Afghanistan shortly after.

// hdw


c0ntex wrote:
> If you consider that America are able to lie about the weapons of mass
> destruction and then admit it, use chemical weapons in Iraq and lie
> about it and then admit it, trick Saudi Arabia that Sadam Hussein was
> attacking their border to allow army convoys to be deployed in their
> country, mishandle Iraqs millions of dollars which seemed to vanish
> (which is currently under investigation with 3 confirmed arrests), a
> power company who coincidentally has a top US official on the board of
> directors win a multi million dollar contract with no competition to
> do ALL the power restoration work in Iraq.
> 
> So America own the world with their porkies yet the most powerful
> country in the world is incapable of influencing 8 or 10 people about
> a war record which is controlled by the US government, influencing 1
> man in charge of the IVAW (which they never actually deny this man was
> a member), and drop 2 news articles to Americans media to bad name
> this man then you have been eating too many pancakes and twinkies.
> 
> On Wikipedia they also discuss the mans "criminal history", what has
> that got to do with anything other than making the man seem
> unreliable.
> 
> If you look at the media on my blog, you will notice many distressing
> issues, you will actually see innocent people being shot and the
> soldiers laughing on several occasions - it is not just this one video
> by this one man.
> 
> The most well known behind the scenes investigation program
> "Dispatches", from the UK does numerous documentaries on these issues,
> as well as the most highly credible news reporters - are they also
> telling porkies? I hardly think so.
> 
> There are numerous other people who talk about the terror that has
> gone on in Iraq, including the use white phosphorous of which is then
> verified by 2 ex soldiers (US) along with live media footage of the
> drops, doctor examinations and leaked documents from the US and
> UK..... but like I said, you are all entitled to your own opinions.
> 
> 
> On 11/09/06, pauls@...allas.edu <pauls@...allas.edu> wrote:
> 
>> --On September 11, 2006 8:20:51 PM +0100 c0ntex <c0ntexb@...il.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > You are entitled to your opinion.
>> >
>> Yeah, and it sucks this his is fact-based, doesn't it?
>>
>> Paul Schmehl (pauls@...allas.edu)
>> Adjunct Information Security Officer
>> The University of Texas at Dallas
>> http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/
>>
>>
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