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Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:43:06 -0400 From: Troy Cregger <tcregger@...nedyinfo.com> To: Simon Smith <simon@...soft.com> Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: Why Microsoft should make windows open source -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This is true, and I'm not saying they're "near the end", only at "the beginning of the end"... and of course I may be wrong. I doubt that the company will ever file chapter 11 or even get to the point where they're totally irrelevant where software is concerned, but the challenges they're facing now are a real and growing threat to their market share. I just think eventually, maybe even sooner than people think, M$ won't be such a giant relative to competition like Novell for instance... and if I were on the board at M$ I'd keep a real close eye on IBM too. Honestly, the #1 reason I hear from most of the people I talk to for why they're using Windows is "Windows plays all of my games". Between wine and VM software that's available now, there that's becoming less of an issue all the time. It's really starting to get down to an ease of installation issue more than a technical one where games are concerned. Time will tell though. - -tlc Simon Smith wrote: > I think that anyone who thinks that Microsoft is near an end is being > unrealistic. I think that they are going to have to contend with the > challenges imposed by open source operating systems and OSX, but they are a > software giant. Also remember, Windows is not the only thing that Microsoft > makes. They have their hands in a lot of different pots. > > > > On 4/4/07 11:23 AM, "Troy Cregger" <tcregger@...nedyinfo.com> wrote: > > M$ will never let us h4x0rz into their source (willingly) but I agree > with you James, the open source paradigm has regularly outpaced M$ and > many other large corporate software producers where it comes to > addressing bugs, security holes, and in many cases feature requests. > > I don't think too many people will agree with me on this but my feeling > (call it a hunch) has been that vista will be the beginning of the end > for M$. Already more and more "average users" (like my dad who knows > jack about computers) are installing, using, and liking Linux. > > I guess time will tell. As to this patch, or the time M$ takes to > release any patch... the word that comes to mind here is "typical". > After all, what can you expect from a company that is commonly referred > to as Micro$loth. > > -tlc > > > James Matthews wrote: >>>> Hi Everyone >>>> >>>> (This can also be an open letter to Microsoft) >>>> >>>> Recently I have see a blog post of Microsoft's security team! What i >>>> have found disturbs me even more then when we find these 0days! This is >>>> what they write! >>>> >>>> I'm sure one question in people's minds is how we're able to release an >>>> update for this issue so quickly. I mentioned on Friday >>>> <http://blogs.technet.com/msrc/archive/2007/03/30/update-on-microsoft-securit >>>> y-advisory-935423.aspx#Vulnerability> >>>> that this issue was first brought to us in late December 2006 and we've >>>> been working on our investigation and a security update since then. This >>>> update was previously scheduled for release as part of the April monthly >>>> release on April 10, 2007. >>>> >>>> Are you telling me that this hole was around for just about 4 months and >>>> they did nothing about it? I am not wondering why it took them so long >>>> to come out with this patch not why they are putting out so early! Also >>>> when they were told about this vulnerability they should of fixed it >>>> right away as we have seen with the OpenBSD ICMP IP 6 hole! Core >>>> security told them about it LESS THEN A WEEK LATER THERE WAS A PATCH. >>>> >>>> So we ask why? Why does it take so long to put out a patch? >>>> >>>> Due to the increased risk to customers from these latest attacks, we >>>> were able to expedite our testing to ensure an update is ready for broad >>>> distribution sooner than April 10. >>>> >>>> Really? Then Please explain this paragraph >>>> >>>> *Disclaimer: * >>>> >>>> The information provided in this advisory is provided "as is" without >>>> warranty of any kind. Microsoft disclaims all warranties, either express >>>> or implied, including the warranties of merchantability and fitness for >>>> a particular purpose. In no event shall Microsoft Corporation or its >>>> suppliers be liable for any damages whatsoever including direct, >>>> indirect, incidental, consequential, loss of business profits or special >>>> damages, even if Microsoft Corporation or its suppliers have been >>>> advised of the possibility of such damages. Some states do not allow the >>>> exclusion or limitation of liability for consequential or incidental >>>> damages so the foregoing limitation may not apply. >>>> >>>> >>>> Links: >>>> http://blogs.technet.com/msrc/archive/2007/04/01/latest-on-security-update-fo >>>> r-microsoft-security-advisory-935423.aspx >>>> <http://blogs.technet.com/msrc/archive/2007/04/01/latest-on-security-update-f >>>> or-microsoft-security-advisory-935423.aspx> >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/935423.mspx >>>> >>>> >>>> I can go on and on but you all get the point! >>>> >>>> James >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://www.goldwatches.com/watches.asp?Brand=39 >>>> http://www.wazoozle.com >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >>>> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >>>> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. 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