Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:42:12 +0000
From: gjgowey@....blackberry.net
To: "Joel R. Helgeson" <joel@...geson.com>,
	full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk,
	"'M. Shirk'" <shirkdog_list@...mail.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk, dailydave@...ts.immunitysec.com
Subject: Re: [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame --
	trymedical research...

Try cyanide.  Faster, better, cheaper, and long lasting.

Geoff

Sent from my BlackBerry wireless handheld.

-----Original Message-----
From: "Joel R. Helgeson" <joel@...geson.com>

Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:29:51 
To:"'M. Shirk'" <shirkdog_list@...mail.com>
Cc:full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk, dailydave@...ts.immunitysec.com
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame -- try
	medical research...


Actually; If you find the cure, you can make a buck -- ONLY IF YOU CAN
PATENT IT!
People are not interested in researching diseases that are not profitable...
for those patients, treating the symptoms is more profitable. You, the
patient, or the family member must become the doctor.

Fortunately, I have possibly your answer, and if not, at least a direction
to take.
Go to www.vitaganza.com and purchase WOBENZYM

It is THE BEST NUTRITIONAL SUPPLEMENT in existence, don't even bother with
substitutes. This is an enzyme supplement that has 5 top-tier enzymes that
when ingested, they proceed to break down longer protein chains and turn
them into enzymes. This ultimately creates a cascading effect of creating
over 2000 separate enzymes that then go through your body and fix damage, so
back pain, muscle pain, knots in your back, surgery... this helps fix ALL
DAMAGE in your body (Damage that is possible to repair). Every cell in your
body, every nerve fiber, everything requires enzymes to function. The
Cartilage in your body is the largest avascular, aneural and alymphatic
tissue in your body. It is kept alive by being bathed in enzymes (anyhow, I
digress).

Kristian, I have hacked problems like this before, Wobenzym will help both
your brother and your friend. It may not be the silver bullet but it will
definitely help, no question about that.

Gaucher's Disease:
Enzyme Replacement Therapy (WOBENZYM)
Enzyme replacement therapy for lysosomal storage diseases did not become a
reality until the early 1990s when its safety and effectiveness were
demonstrated in type 1 Gaucher disease. Today, ERT is a reality for Gaucher
disease, Fabry disease and mucopolysaccharidosis type I (MPS I), and
clinical trials with recombinant human enzymes are ongoing in Pompe disease.

LCH:
Wobenzym will help, but what may help even more is Guaifenesin tablets. THIS
IS NOT A REPLACEMENT FOR TRADITIONAL THERAPY, keep going to the doc, and
take this stuff.
http://www.guaifenesin.com/guaishop.htm

If you want to hack the problem, you need to be willing to be the guinea
pig, the lab rat. Seek the care of licensed, trained doctors as you normally
would, but don't listen to the pooh-poohing they give on natural,
nutritional, or over-the-counter remedies.

I personally take both Wobenzym and Guaifenesin to overcome some serious
ailments that were "uncurable" by modern medicine, and was forced to
medicate the symptoms.

I hope this information helps you, and helps other people on the list who
see this.

-joel

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
[mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Simon Smith
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 1:18 PM
To: M. Shirk
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk; dailydave@...ts.immunitysec.com
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame -- try
medical research...

Just like technology research (hacking)... but... if you are the one
that finds a cure, you'll make your buck too.

M. Shirk wrote:
> There is more money to be made in the treatment of a disease, then
> actually finding a cure.
>
> Remind you of anything?
>
> Shirkdog
> ' or 1=1--
> http://www.shirkdog.us
>
>> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:37:20 -0700
>> From: kristian.hermansen@...il.com
>> To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk; dailydave@...ts.immunitysec.com
>> Subject: [Dailydave] Hacking software is lame -- try medical research...
>>
>> Some interesting discussion came up on some security lists this week
>> and it got me to thinking. Yes, hacking software is lame. Cool, so
>> you found some vulnerabilities in some widely distributed application,
>> service, or OS and it is patched just as quickly. Why don't we spend
>> our time and valuable energy researching cures for rare or popular
>> diseases instead? For instance, my brother (Jon Hermansen) has a very
>> rare disease called Langerhans Cell Histiocytosis. It is also better
>> known as LCH. It can be identified as causing such further diseases
>> as Diabetes Insipidus, which is also uncommon (not sugar diabetes).
>> Have you heard of these diseases before? Let me educate you.
>>
>> General Information:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langerhans_cell_histiocytosis
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabetes_insipidus
>>
>> Seven Part Video Series:
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=KkBRqZS8nfM
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=w1h6ZjxF-To
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=0ojbJpERlt8
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=dzUqdYofMCQ
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=lNhzwNYhi0M
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=nY9DDEhShcE
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=5_8SEYyEZGI
>>
>> And even worse than this, a friend of mine who is a PhD student in
>> Math at Berkeley has an even rarer disease known as Gaucher's Disease.
>> This costs $550,000 / year to treat. That's a hefty bill every year
>> (you make that much doing security vulns?), and some insurance
>> companies might refuse to accept you due to "pre-existing" conditions.
>> So guess what, my friend does not have health insurance and has not
>> been treated for two years. A genius might die. That's ludicrous.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaucher's_disease
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=0nX6QM5iVaU
>>
>> If we consider ourselves decent "hackers", why don't we put our
>> efforts toward helping cure this and other diseases rather than some
>> very simple programming vulnerability? Is it because then we would
>> have to reinvent a whole new slew of tools and re-orient/re-educate
>> ourselves to be successful? Think about it.
>> --
>> Kristian Erik Hermansen
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