Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 06:23:38 -0400
From: <full-disclosure@....hush.com>
To: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>,<worriedsecurity@...glemail.com>
Subject: Re: Did people power get rid of Gadi Evron from
	Full-Disclosure?

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I haven't heard from Gadi since he called Turkey "a nation of
Muslim terrorists" on his blog.

Has anyone tried calling him?

703-286-7723, extension 110 .

On Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:43:20 -0400 worried security
<worriedsecurity@...glemail.com> wrote:
>Did people power get rid of Gadi Evron from Full-Disclosure?
>
>The security researcher and robot network expert from Israel
>hasn't been
>seen on Full-Disclosure mailing list since the "What is a 0-day?"
>fallout
>between the researcher and members of the security community,
>including me,
>n3td3v.
>
>Concerns are growing in the security community over Evron's
>health, after a
>shocking exit from Full-Disclosure mailing list after mass
>arguments over
>his comments cross posted between Full-Disclosure and the
>moderated Bugtraq
>mailing list.
>
>On the n3td3v stance, n3td3v did not want Bugtraq moderators to
>broadcast
>his argument on the Securityfocus based mailing list, because it
>was deemed
>by n3td3v to be lame and on the bigger picture, the argument
>wasn't mission
>critical.
>
>n3td3v sees Bugtraq's role to be only for mission critical
>discussion to
>protect core infrastructure systems from cyber attacks where
>economic and
>public saftey could be at risk in relation with corporate and
>national
>security matters.
>
>While Gadi Evron was right to leave Full-Disclosure while tensions
>between
>security researchers calmed down, n3td3v is now offering Gadi
>Evron an olive
>branch to return to Full-Disclosure on the basis he keeps the lame
>chatter
>away from Bugtraq and focuses his career of mailing lists postings
>to be
>restricted to Full-Disclosure, Funsec, Nanog and any other mailing
>list
>accept Bugtraq.
>
>Unless he is posting an advisory on behalf of someone else under
>the
>SecuriTeam or BeyondSecurity brands, he has no place being on
>mission
>critical list Bugtraq at SecurityFocus.
>
>So Gadi Evron, no hard feelings, we don't hate you, we just wanted
>you not
>to discuss what you discussed on Bugtraq relating to "defining 0-
>day".
>
>At the time you may of thought it was a good idea but looking back
>you must
>see now how lame it was, unless you have mental health issues.
>
>I am your friend Gadi Evron, I respect your work as a robot
>network expert
>and I want you to return to Full-Disclosure.
>
>If you come back, I will offer you protection, protection to which
>I already
>offer to *Valdis*.Kletnieks.
>
>What I mean by protection is, if anyone says anything bad about
>you, I will
>defend you, as long as you're not being uber lame like you were on
>Bugtraq
>over the "defining 0-day" thread.
>
>So Gadi Evron, if you want freeway to speak on Full-Disclosure
>with n3td3v
>backing, I will make sure you get full protection from the
>trolls... its
>upto you.
>
>You can come back to Full-Disclosure and continue being attacked,
>or you can
>have my backing and your life will be a whole lot eaiser.
>
>If you return to Bugtraq with more uber lameness, then the deal
>will be cut
>short, and Full-Disclosure regulars will swallow you up whole.
>
>Remember Gadi Evron, power comes at a price and the price is you
>keep off
>Bugtraq or expect more public criticism by me, and no protection
>from me
>when others decide to criticize you,
>
>And don't under estimate the damage done to your self reputation
>already
>over matters, so I suggest you take this olive branch and return
>to
>Full-Disclosure discussing elite matters regarding cyber security
>and
>keeping off Bugtraq is a must see.
>
>To be in a position of power on the mailing lists requires the
>backing of
>n3td3v, and if you agree then you'll have full power backing by me
>to
>continue your cyber politcal agenda on the mailing lists, without
>n3td3v
>criticism.
>
>Thank you,
>
>n3td3v
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