Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:40:21 -0500
From: "Jay" <jay.tomas@...osecguru.com>
To: <pdp.gnucitizen@...glemail.com>, <reepex@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: agile hacking?

Ummm,

You two both have each others personal emails so why dont you flame each other in private. The question to each is that do you feel that your comments to each other further this list and knowledge or hurt it. This is FD not my pee pee is bigger than yours...

These words are just consuming energies that could be better served hacking the sh@t out of something.

Jay

----- Original Message -----
From: Petko D. Petkov [mailto:pdp.gnucitizen@...glemail.com]
To: reepex@...il.com,full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Sent: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:08:31 +0000
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] agile hacking?

reepex,

you are the only one backing up troth, read on all comments... I don't
bash people. I encourage them and this is present in all my work and
the work behind the GNUCITIZEN umbrella. Not I, but the crowd hanged
him, as well they will hang you for your arrogant, egocentric, foolish
and rather juvenile behavior. I personally don't care about you, nor I
care if you like the work on GNUCITIZEN or even my work. In my eyes
and the eyes of others you follow very basic parasitic social pattern:
making a name for yourself not based on your knowledge but based on
your arrogant, bottomless comments.

You don't lead by example! You are a parasite, a vampire, sucking
blood and energy from those around you. I hardly doubt that anyone can
consider you as a friend or even appreciate your skills and knowledge
when you are nothing more but a vulture.

Comparing the Agile Hacking project with books such as "How to Own a
Continent" (by FX, Paul Craig, Joe Grand, and Tim Mullen...), "How to
Own the Box" (by Ryan Russell, Ido Dubrawsky, FX, and Joe Grand...),
"How to Own a Shadow" (by Johnny Long, Tim Mullen, and Ryan
Russell...), "The Art of Intrusion" (by Kevin D. Mitnick, and William
L. Simon..) and the "Hacking Exposed" series (by some of the most
recognized information security experts such as, but not only, Johnny
Cache, Chris Davis, Stuart McClure, Joel Scambray, Andrew Vladimirov,
Brian Hatch, David Endler...), is nothing but a flattering comment. I
hope that this project achieves and even superseeds their success.
These are some of my favorite books and I have a great respect for
their authors.

You and all others who support your dieing cause and who have
repeatedly attacked what we have build from scratch with far too many
sacrifaces, can laugh now but the simple fact is that you will never
even come close to what we have already achieved and gave to this
community. You and all other Full-disclosure trolls proved to be
untrustworthy, unworthy even creatures. I hope that your real
identities stay well hidden behind your nicknames as I highly doubt
that you will succeed in life. If I were in your place I would have
reconsidered my values. Your and the other trolls comments are not
satire but idiocracy as a fellow GNUCITIZEN reader have pointed out.

Kind Regards,
pdp

founder of GNUCITIZEN, information security research, penetration
tester, life hacker, co-author of two best-selling books, author of
numerous printed publications and online media outlets, active speaker
and opinion former, hacker culture evangelist, founder of Hakiri,
entrepreneur, lecturer, etc...

I am far behind the people I look after for inspiration and guidance
but I am well ahead of you.

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 8:35 AM, reepex <reepex@...il.com> wrote:
> so no one respects me, i bash people's projects, etc... whatever.
>
> You still do not explain why you have the attitude that any who does not
> like your work or ideas is a talentless troll that you can brush off.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 2:40 AM, Petko D. Petkov
> <pdp.gnucitizen@...glemail.com> wrote:
> > Dear Reepex,
> >
> > Unfortunately, you've already lost all the respect for a larger
> > portion of people on this mailing list as well outside of it. You have
> > never led by example but by bashing people on what they try to
> > accomplish. Everyone who has been in this industry/life style for long
> > enough know that they don't know everything. In fact, as the saying
> > goes: "A wise man never knows all, only fools know everything".
> >
> > My advise to you is to stop pretending being someone and be who you
> > are. If you think that this project is crap then help to make it
> > better. Everyone that has ever written a book, knows how hard it is to
> > put everything together and how frustrating it is to want to put the
> > things that you want not having the chance to do so. It is easier to
> > say what is crap but 100x harder to do it wright. Also, it is very
> > easy to take apart people from what they have accomplished, I've done
> > it myself:
> >
> >
> http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/hamster-plus-hotspot-equals-web-20-meltdown-not/
> >
> > but 100 of times harder to put yourself in their shoes:
> >
> > http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/reconsidering-the-side-jacking-attack/
> >
> > Again, lead by example not by baseless comments.
> >
> > Regards,
> > pdp
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 3:59 AM, Nate McFeters <nate.mcfeters@...il.com>
> wrote:
> > > Ok, I'll buy that, that's reasonable.  I wasn't in the exchange with
> thoth.
> > > I guess when I read about a community project to write the ultimate
> hacking
> > > book, I assumed people from all backgrounds of security would be
> interested
> > > in contributing... maybe that's a bit of a Utopian view, but I could
> imagine
> > > a one stop Frankenstein of a book (probably one so large you couldn't
> even
> > > carry a hard-copy) that has some really great great stuff if the right
> > > people contribute.
> > >
> > > Right now, I've got disjointed information everywhere that I reference
> for
> > > various things all over my damn computer and bookshelfs... Uninformed
> > > papers, presentations from various sources, manuals, books, blah blah
> blah.
> > > If it was done right, I think the book could be pretty damn cool.  Of
> > > course, that depends on the community support and the content that comes
> out
> > > of that.  I'm not sure what PDP has envisioned for the book, I've been
> just
> > > too busy today to give the article a good read, but I've always been
> very
> > > interested in these community projects.
> > >
> > > I think that's why I love ToorCon and really was bummed that I didn't
> get to
> > > make it out to 24c3 this year... lots of collaboration going on there.
> > >
> > > Nate
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/18/08, reepex <reepex@...il.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Nate McFeters
> <nate.mcfeters@...il.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't consider myself a 'kiddie' and I've considered contributing
> to
> > > it.  I feel like the old adage of blowing out someone elses flame to
> make
> > > yours burn brighter applies here.  Reepex, I didn't get a chance to see
> your
> > > presentation at kiwicon, bit to expensive for an American on a tight
> budget
> > > to get out there, but if you have a link, I'd love to have a look.
> We've
> > > talked before, so I assume the presentation is good since I know you
> know
> > > your stuff; however, I've also seen some cool stuff come out of PDP and
> > > Gnucitizen... why the need to bash?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I did not give the talk, thoth did. The reason I brought it up is
> because
> > > of
> > > > http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/agile-hacking/#comment-116766
> > > > where pdp blindly assumes thoth does not have a clue, while not
> knowing
> > > his background which must be some strange complex where people think
> anyone
> > > who disagrees with them is inferior.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  Web app hacking may not be the coolest topic in the world to
> yourself
> > > and many others, but it is something that a lot of companies are
> concerned
> > > with these days,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes and we agreed web hacking has its place... the point I made was
> that
> > > you cannot write 'the best hacking manual ever made' as pdp is touting
> it
> > > while only covering web hacking and running combinations of different
> tools
> > > such as kismet/tcpdump that pdp mentined as an example.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> >
> > --
> >
> > Petko D. (pdp) Petkov | GNUCITIZEN | Hakiri | Spin Hunters
> >
> > gnucitizen.org | hakiri.org | spinhunters.org
> >
>
>



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