full-disclosure - Re: OpenID. The future of authentication on the web?

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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:29:13 -0500
From: "John C. A. Bambenek, GCIH, CISSP" <bambenek.infosec@...il.com>
To: "Petko D. Petkov" <pdp.gnucitizen@...glemail.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk, Larry Seltzer <Larry@...ryseltzer.com>
Subject: Re: OpenID. The future of authentication on the
	web?

I'm not saying OpenID is more convenient and has benefits... I was just
saying there are conventions to make passwords unique per-site.

So if you don't mind getting past the single point of 0wnership, then OpenID
is good to go.  Me, I don't trust technology.

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Petko D. Petkov <
pdp.gnucitizen@...glemail.com> wrote:

> as I said, some websites ask you for a username regardless whether
> that will be an email address. and unfortunately a username is not
> unique through out the Web. which means that if your username is
> john-bambenek on one system it could be completely different on
> another system due the fact that some vendors don't like the "-" or
> they don't like the length or they ask you to have a number in the
> username or even they provide you with such. So keeping track of
> usernames is as hard as keeping track of passwords. Put them all
> together and then you will experience the pain.
>
> On the other hand OpenID provides you with a unique ID. Only you can
> use it on every system without the need to worry.
>
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 3:22 PM, John C. A. Bambenek, GCIH, CISSP
> <bambenek.infosec@...il.com> wrote:
> > Well in my case it's easy... how many people do you know named John
> Bambenek
> > (my father doesn't count)? :)
> >
> > I was just speaking about passwords in that case, presumably people can
> > remember their email addresses.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Petko D. Petkov
> > <pdp.gnucitizen@...glemail.com> wrote:
> > > what about usernames? you still need to keep track of your usernames
> > > since sometimes your preferred username is either taken or not
> > > possible or you need to login via email or any other peculiarity the
> > > site supports.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 2:43 PM, John C. A. Bambenek, GCIH, CISSP
> > > <bambenek.infosec@...il.com> wrote:
> > > > I would disagree.  One could simply create a template password and
> then
> > salt
> > > > it with some acronym for the site in question.
> > > >
> > > > For instance, S0m3p4ss!### where ### is a 3-letter acronym for the
> site
> > they
> > > > are accessing.  Still need only one password to remember and you
> don't
> > > > necessarily have a single point of 0wnership anymore.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Larry Seltzer <
> Larry@...ryseltzer.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >>I understand the attractiveness of not having to remember lots
> of
> > IDs
> > > > > and passwords, but when you give up control of your data, you give
> up
> > > > > control of your future.
> > > > >
> > > > > Normal people aren't going to remember enough passwords, let alone
> > > > > strong passwords, to make that control meaningful. I do get your
> > point,
> > > > > but I bet that the best alternative is to give them one set of
> > > > > credentials and make it as strong as possible.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Larry Seltzer
> > > > > eWEEK.com Security Center Editor
> > > > > http://security.eweek.com/
> > > > > http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/
> > > > > Contributing Editor, PC Magazine
> > > > > larry.seltzer@...fdavisenterprise.com
> > > > >
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> > > --
> > >
> > > Petko D. (pdp) Petkov | GNUCITIZEN | Hakiri | Spin Hunters
> > >
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> > >
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