Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:39:36 -0400
From: "G. D. Fuego" <gdfuego@...il.com>
To: n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Fwd: n3td3v has a fan

On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 6:23 PM, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 10:44 PM, G. D. Fuego <gdfuego@...il.com> wrote:
> > Removing your private mailing list that none of us can actually post to.
>
> You could subscribe then you wouldn't hit the bouncer server? Its a
> public mailing list as long as you register your google account to the
> group.


That would work if I wanted to be subscribed to your group.  "Don't
Cross-Post" is a basic rule of netiquette.


> > > I have to contest, at Yahoo--- Mark Seiden and others said Sunnyvale
> > > isn't MI5/MI6 and that people shouldn't be stopped on premises without
> > > permission for taking photos.
> > >
> > > And I was angry that Mark Seiden and others at Yahoo weren't going to
> > > take my e-mail seriously, athough later on it turns out that Yahoo
> > > non-cyber staff who patrol the grounds of Sunnyvale have stopped photo
> > > taking without permission, this has to be a good thing.
> > >
> > > The case of mine was highlighted by "ycantpark". of which flickr
> > > photos were published of the parking lots of Yahoo of employees who
> > > couldn't park, although that sent off triggers for me to send the
> > > multiple e-mail to their cyber security e-mail address to stop this
> > > happening.
> > >
> > > There are many ways the parking setup could be used against Yahoo
> > > adversaries, think car bomb, or truck bomb? It was hugely
> > > irresponsible of Yahoo to allow such photos to be taken by on-the-fly
> > > employees.
> >
> > The above section seems to state that preventing individuals from taking
> > photos on the campus is an important security measure that makes sense
> to
> > take.
>
> Why wouldn't it be, do you want your car and number plate appearing on
> flickr and the company you work at or are connected to? Think of the
> shady adversaries or intelligence services who would find that an
> interesting peice of information.


I'm sure my car and its license plate are on the Internet somewhere.

http://digital-photography-school.com/blog/photographers-rights-and-photography-privacy-advice/

This link gives basic information on what photographers are and are not
allowed to do.  In the "Photographer's right" section, it mentions that
anyone can photographs of whatever they want in public places, or places
where they have permission to do so.

They specifically mention that streets are considered public.

So while Yahoo may potentially have the rights to prevent you from taking
pictures while on their property, they cannot prevent you from taking
pictures of cars that come and go from their property.

Enforcing these rules would have a real cost.  There's the time of the
security guards, court time if they press charges, and
annoyance/inconvenience of their employees.  Is that cost going to be
worthwhile for the little added protection that they provide?   I doubt it,
but at the end of the day, its up to them to decide.

Yahoo have a privacy policy for personal information on its website
> for its consumers, it also takes operational information serious, and
> the addresses and other personal info of its employees... seriously,
> apparently.
>
> The photographs, as stated on Ycantpark, they give out the make and
> model of employee car without the permission of the owner, give the
> number plate of the employee or connected partner, which links to
> their home address and other data, and not only does the owner of the
> car not know, Yahoo Inc did not know this photo session was taking
> place and was being published on the web.
>
> Dude, this is a major privacy breach of Yahoo employees, partners, and
> Yahoo Inc policy, beliefs as a whole.


No, its public information.

Back in the day when I focused on Yahoo, I found a beta group on Yahoo
> groups that was supposed to be secure, but it was available for be to
> subscribed to. I subscribed and gathered operational intelligence on
> how the inside of Yahoo was working, I passed this research to Yahoo,
> and they took steps to close it down and punish/discipline those
> involved.
>
> Thats not all, one xmas, a site called stats.yahoo.com was broken into
> by known hackers, n3td3v was first on the scene to alert Yahoo, and
> they had to get their at the time stand-in-staff to bleeper the
> seniors away from their xmas turkey to attend the incident. The stats
> site, had all the names and addresses of employees and their roles and
> other personal data, Yahoo secured and eventually shut down the site.



> So there is plenty evidence to suggest Yahoo take its employee privacy
> and its operational data privacy seriously, but they have might not
> quite realise how car models and number plates might equal the same
> type of data breach of its employees and operational data.
>
> So Yahoo do take privacy and data security seriously--in some
> cases---cars and number plates, questionable.


Names/Addresses/etc is legally protected PII (Personally Identifiable
Information).  License plates/car models are not.

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