full-disclosure - Re: DEF CON 16 Retro Announcement! Back to Bang!

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Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 02:34:01 +0100
From: n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu, "The Dark Tangent" <dtangent@...con.org>, 
	n3td3v <n3td3v@...glegroups.com>, full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: DEF CON 16 Retro Announcement! Back to Bang!

On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 2:04 AM,  <Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:57:18 BST, you said:
>  > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 4:23 AM,  <Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu> wrote:
>  > > On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:06:28 BST, n3td3v said:
>  > >
>  > >  > Any criminal hackers who go are just stupid and don't realise what
>  > >  > they are actually attending.
>  > >  >
>  > >  > The U.S Security Services will have hidden cameras and befrienders in
>  > >  > place to grab as much information out of people as possible.
>  > >  >
>  > >  > These conferences have just turned into a 'human honeypot' for the
>  > >  > intelligence services.
>
>
> > So, because a real world terrorist clone of Def Con wouldn't work, the
>  > same goes for Def Con "human honeypot"ing of ---cyber terrorists, who
>  > are today the direct threat to corporations and government, not the
>  > once before believed bedroom hacker of which Def Con originally was
>  > formed from.
>
>  Dood, you need to make up your mind - is infiltration of cons by govt
>  security the Next Big Thing, or already played out?  You can't have it
>  both ways, choose one and stick with it.

Perhaps the public belief that security conferences are monitored, and
the public admission by the government that security conferences are
monitored, has killed the original idealology of security conferences?

And thats why these conferences have turn into--not a useful tool for
the security communty to meet and greet, but a commercial tool for the
security industry and an reconnaissance tool for the government...
which overscores what security conferences were originally built for.

For the humble hacker, the pros and cons of going are outweighed...

n3td3v

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