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Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:17:48 -0700
From: "Rob Thompson" <my.security.lists@...il.com>
To: "Fetch, Brandon" <bfetch@....com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Microsoft device helps police pluck
	evidencefrom cyberscene of crime

On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Fetch, Brandon <bfetch@....com> wrote:
> I'd be more curious what the requirements are on the host machine.

>>From what I have read, which isn't _too_ much...

It needs Windows.  I'd assume 2000 and forward...  But that's an
assumption.  It just makes sense when I think of the security of the
OS's - that that's what it'd be...

>
> Meaning if you disable autorun on all USB/Firewire/"hot-plug" devices
> does it potentially eliminate this threat?

I doubt it.  They probably have something coded into the device that
works with something "special" within Windows.  But again, just an
assumption.  I haven't gotten my paws on one of these yet.  Though I'm
sure that it you look hard enough, it can be found.

>
> Yes, rebooting from the USB key will obviate any Windows
> policies/settings but the goal seems to stem from getting "live" data
> from the system while it's running.

Yes, so from what I've read.  It sounds like, the box is running.  All
that you do, is plug this device in, it does the rest for you.  You
just sit there like a good little monkey and wait till it's done.

I am thinking that this device is going to be akin to the CD-rom that
you could use that had the autorun setup that would disable a password
protected screen saver in Windows 9x.  Basically, walk up to any
machine, pop in the disk, wait a minute and POOF, all done.

What is really baking my noodle though - how do we protect ourselves
from these?  Because, one pissed off employee with one of these things
could put an organization into some deep crap, real quick like...

We really need more information on these devices...

>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
> [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Rob
> Thompson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 1:21 PM
> To: reepex
> Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Microsoft device helps police pluck
> evidencefrom cyberscene of crime
>
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:35 PM, reepex <reepex@...il.com> wrote:
> > you are a retard.
>
> As are you, re-read the article...
>
> >
> > its for live memory analysis on a running machine. not anything like a
> > bootable Live Cd.
> >
>
> It doesn't only read memory.  It does other things as well...
>
> But not quite like a bootable CD either...
>
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Peter Besenbruch <prb@...a.net>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tuesday 29 April 2008 14:31:18 Ivan . wrote:
> > > >
> >
> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/microsoft/2004379751_msftlaw29.htm
> l
> > >
> > > It looks like the Microsoft version of a Knoppix disk.
> > > --
> > > Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org
> > > HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky
> > >
> > >
> > >
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