Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 14:23:43 -0400
From: "Exibar" <exibar@...lair.com>
To: "n3td3v" <xploitable@...il.com>,
	<full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: RE :OT - Don't fuck with n3td3v

n3tdunc3 said: "...mentioned a project HD Moore is working on called 
Metasploit and questioned weather..."

  I honestly don't think that HD has anything to do with the weather, I 
wouldn't bother him about that.  Although, HD does have God like status, so 
perhaps he CAN control the weather.... Hmmmmm ;-)

  Exibar


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "n3td3v" <xploitable@...il.com>
To: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] RE :OT - Don't fuck with n3td3v


> On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 6:31 PM, G D Fuego <gdfuego@...il.com> wrote:
>> Wow.  That is a spot on description of how you ate treating HD Moore and
>> David Litchfield.
>
> I mentioned a project HD Moore is working on called Metasploit and
> questioned weather he had managed to pick up any government contracts.
> I said in my opinion Metasploit is a script kiddie tool. I can't see
> any cyberstalking there.
>
> Secondly, I said David Litchfield's research was responsible for the
> SQL Slammer Worm and its a perfect example of why Responsible
> Disclosure is needed. Again, I can't see any Cyberstalking there.
>
> All the best,
>
> n3td3v
>
>> On May 7, 2008, at 12:36 PM, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:43 PM,  <Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Wed, 07 May 2008 16:24:45 BST, n3td3v said:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > And you suffer from slanderous libelous defamation disability
>> > > > disorder, a new disorder I have made up for idiots on 
>> > > > Full-Disclosure.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > So you're saying he's suffering from a disorder that causes a 
>> > > disability
>> in how
>> > > well he can slander, libel, and defame somebody?  If so, you should 
>> > > be
>> glad
>> > > that you weren't slandered by somebody *not* suffering from it....
>> > >
>> >
>> > Maybe not, but the situation currently on Full-Disclosure is this...
>> >
>> > False accusations. Many cyberstalkers try to damage the reputation of
>> > their victim and turn other people against them. They post false
>> > information about them on websites. They may set up their own
>> > websites, blogs or user pages for this purpose. They post allegations
>> > about the victim to newsgroups, chat rooms or other sites that allow
>> > public contributions, such as Wikipedia or Amazon.com.[4]
>> >
>> > Attempts to gather information about the victim. Cyberstalkers may
>> > approach their victim's friends, family and work colleagues to obtain
>> > personal information. They may advertise for information on the
>> > Internet, or hire a private detective. They often will monitor the
>> > victim's online activities and attempt to trace their IP address in an
>> > effort to gather more information about their victims. [5]
>> >
>> > Encouraging others to harass the victim. Many cyberstalkers try to
>> > involve third parties in the harassment. They may claim the victim has
>> > harmed the stalker or his/her family in some way, or may post the
>> > victim's name and telephone number in order to encourage others to
>> > join the pursuit.
>> >
>> > False victimization. The cyberstalker will claim that the victim is
>> > harassing him/her. Bocij writes that this phenomenon has been noted in
>> > a number of well-known cases.
>> >
>> > Attacks on data and equipment. They may try to damage the victim's
>> > computer by sending viruses.
>> >
>> > Ordering goods and services. They order items or subscribe to
>> > magazines in the victim's name. These often involve subscriptions to
>> > pornography or ordering sex toys then having them delivered to the
>> > victim's workplace.
>> >
>> > Arranging to meet. Young people face a particularly high risk of
>> > having cyberstalkers try to set up meetings between them.[6]
>> >
>> > Cyberstalkers meet or target their victims by using search engines,
>> > online forums, bulletin and discussion boards, chat rooms, Wikipedia,
>> > and more recently, through online communities such as MySpace,
>> > Facebook, Friendster and Indymedia, a media outlet known for
>> > self-publishing. They may engage in live chat harassment or flaming or
>> > they may send electronic viruses and unsolicited e-mails. [7] Victims
>> > of cyberstalkers may not even know that they are being stalked.
>> > Cyberstalkers may research individuals to feed their obsessions and
>> > curiosity. Conversely, the acts of cyberstalkers may become more
>> > intense, such as repeatedly instant messaging their targets. [8]
>> >
>> > More commonly they will post defamatory or derogatory statements about
>> > their stalking target on web pages, message boards and in guest books
>> > designed to get a reaction or response from their victim, thereby
>> > initiating contact. [7] In some cases, they have been known to create
>> > fake blogs in the name of the victim containing defamatory or
>> > pornographic content.
>> >
>> > When prosecuted, many stalkers have unsuccessfully attempted to
>> > justify their behavior based on their use of public forums, as opposed
>> > to direct contact. Once they get a reaction from the victim, they will
>> > typically attempt to track or follow the victim's internet activity.
>> > Classic cyberstalking behavior includes the tracing of the victim's IP
>> > address in an attempt to verify their home or place of employment. [7]
>> >
>> > Some cyberstalking situations do evolve into physical stalking, and a
>> > victim may experience abusive and excessive phone calls, vandalism,
>> > threatening or obscene mail, trespassing, and physical assault.[7]
>> > Moreover, many physical stalkers will use cyberstalking as another
>> > method of harassing their victims.[9] [10]
>> >
>> > A 2007 study, led by Paige Padgett from the University of Texas Health
>> > Science Center, found that there was a false degree of safety assumed
>> > by women looking for love online.[11][12]
>> >
>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberstalking
>> >
>> >
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