full-disclosure - Re: [NANOG] IOS rootkits

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Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 01:46:01 -0400
From: mutiny <mutiny@...inbeardsucks.com>
To: n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: [NANOG] IOS rootkits

Dumb and outlandish statements like these are why you are not 
responsible for any networks, outside your own (if even).
n3td3v wrote:
> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 5:05 PM, mutiny <mutiny@...inbeardsucks.com> wrote:
>   
>> A rootkit for Cisco will not damage anything, Cisco has even shown interest
>> in the development.  A rootkit for Cisco will cause Cisco to look into the
>> issue more closely, which in turn will make IOS *more secure.*
>>
>>     
>
> I'm interested in you saying things will be more secure because of the
> presentation, but how long will it
> take for things to be more secure and how big an attack window will
> the bad guys have after the presentation (A day, a week, a month, a
> year?) for putting rootkits into Cisco routers before the problem gets
> fixed? I don't want there to be an attack window of any length... even
> a day is too long, the bad guys could do a lot in a day.
>
> I agree things will be more secure eventually, but whats going to
> happen between presentation day and some kind of solution for the
> problem actually being rolled out is the worrying part for me.
>
> Cyber armageddon?
>
> Do we just say, its your own fault your business went down because you
> weren't secure... or should the folks who let the presentation go
> ahead hold some responsiblity for the pwned routers will evitably be
> hacked.
>
> Let's just hope its networks that don't matter that get pwned, and not
> networks that carry anything important on them.
>
> The problem is, all networks are important to somebody... thanks
> EUSecWest for allowing an attack window of carnage... in the name of
> making IOS more secure or something.
>
> So guys, how long will the attack window be, the bad guys have to pwn
> routers before things are secure? I am worried about whats going to
> happen during the attack window of opportunity...
>
> This presentation is a bad idea on so many levels which out weigh the
> Cisco IOS will eventually end up more secure argument.
>
> Its the *eventually* part that the bad guys will take advantage of.
>
> So has anyone got a time frame in mind of how long the bad guys are
> going to have? Any estimations? Will Cisco be working to close the
> attack window time frame after the presentation to keep it to a
> minimal time frame and to limit damage and disruption caused to its
> customers?
>
> I'm scared, worried, paranoid...
>
> All the best,
>
> n3td3v
>
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