Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 13:22:31 -0700
From: "una ballmer" <unaballmer@...il.com>
To: n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: [inbox] Re: Paul Asadoorian of PaulDotCom
	Enterprises

As usual you just don't get it.

Because you contribute nothing useful, and at the same time seem intent on
causing pain to
people who do real work. we'd ALL like to punch you in the face, and ALSO
break your
fingers.  Except that you aren't presently worth the trouble.

An unscientific survey was taken at a recent conference where several
attendees you
abuse were present.  Yes, we actually talked about you!

Our conclusion:

None of us know of a single credible security researcher who has even the
time of day
for you, not to mention any respect for your abilities or work.

The usual trajectory seems to be
try to help -> amused tolerance  -> pity -> you're dead to me

As the entire conference was under Chatham House Rule, I cannot tell you who
was
there or participated in the discussion.

So, like Intercage, can you cite a single person whom you actually work with
who would say a good word
in public for you?  (I doubt it, given that you have few skills and little
talent, combined with a concept of
"risk" which is contorted by your bizarre paranoid personality, and and
excess of persistence
which is not enough to overcome all of that insanity.)  You are not an
original, out-of-the-box
thinker, you are an annoying pariah.

Only Valdis (whom you regularly abuse) seems to have the patience of a saint
in wasting
time arguing with you.  As you never seem to listen to anyone other than the
voices in your
head, you don't learn anything from him or anyone else.  As you always have
to be
right, and get the last vindictive word, the community has entirely given up
on you, one by one.

Many people have suggested you should eat shit and die, or continue drinking
yourself
to death, a friendless pauper in your sod hut in Scotland still waiting for
the black helicopters
of some intelligence agency to some day whisk you off to cloud cuckoo land
after realizing
your great value to them.

I think we would be satisfied if you just  silently disappeared, and never
darkened our
inboxes ever again.  This is the best service you can do the security
community:
shut up and disappear.  Find something useful to do with your so-called
life.


All the best,



On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 10:52 AM, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Exibar <exibar@...lair.com> wrote:
>
>>  ROFL!!!  hehe, and I wasn't serious when I mentioned that you're not even
>> at SANS...  Looks like Northcutt called your bluff.... what's next, it
>> turns
>> out that you're really n3t3d3v too!!!!  LOL
>>
>>
> What's SANS stance on joel esler's behaviour towards n3td3v, he still
> seems to be writing on the internet storm center diary... looks like
> they don't give a fuck about the breach of privacy, the unfunny
> aviation security joke on the sans diary podcast, and then to top it
> all off, him and his pauldotcom friends having a semi serious
> discussion about arranging a fake meet up with n3td3v, so they could
> punch me in the face for exposing joel esler's conduct in the first
> place. :)
>
> The SANS name is being smeared all across the mailing lists, due to
> joel esler/pauldotcom, yet they still keep him/them associated with
> SANS... if they are pissed off about SANS getting a bad name, then get
> rid of joel esler/pauldotcom, they seem to be a liability...public
> relations wise.
>
> All the best,
>
> n3td3v
>
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