full-disclosure - Re: Securing our computers?

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Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:18:26 +0000
From: n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Cc: n3td3v <n3td3v@...glegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Securing our computers?

a discussion on n3td3v mailing list is talking about stateless
computing to take the security responsibility away from the single mom
and retired couple crowd. some on the mailing list think that is the
answer to security problems, but i don't agree i think its just
shifting the problems to different places. again, if stateless
computing and cloud computing is going to become a big thing for joe
average sixpack, then the issue of trust comes into play again. are we
to trust big corporations with stateless computing if all our data is
to be held at one central data farm and for the majority of joe
average sixpack computers to become something that resembles dumb
terminals.

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:59 AM,  <Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu> wrote:
> What we *don't* know how to do is make a system that Joe Sixpack is allowed
> to screw around with, and yet prevent security issues from happening.  The
> only *real* solution here is to invent a better Joe Sixpack that's able to
> understand that security should be more important than the neat screensaver
> he just downloaded with no clue as to the code's provenance.
>
> Unfortunately, the Joe Sixpacks tend to marry Jill Sixpacks, and reproduce.
> Anybody who's read CM Kornbluth's "The Marching Morons" will immediately
> recognize it as the *current* situation of most white hats.

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