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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:03:31 -0200 From: Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman <buanzo@...nzo.com.ar> To: Avraham Schneider <avri.schneider@...il.com> Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: The war in Palestine -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 yeah, yeah.. Avraham Schneider wrote: > > > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman > <buanzo@...nzo.com.ar <mailto:buanzo@...nzo.com.ar>> wrote: > > Oh come on, who gives a real fuck... god doesn't exist anyway. > Religion is an excuse to dominate > simple minds. > >> At least 178 Jews and persons of half- or three-quarters-Jewish ancestry >> have been awarded the Nobel Prize,1 accounting for 23% of all individual >> recipients worldwide between 1901 and 2008, and constituting 37% of all >> US recipients2 during the same period. In the scientific research >> fields of Chemistry, Economics, Medicine, and Physics, the corresponding >> world and US percentages are 27% and 40%, respectively. (Jews currently >> make up approximately 0.25% of the world's population and 2% of the US >> population.) > >> Considering Jews are testifying to the existence of G-d - I would say it >> is hard to make your claim under these results... > > > > Avraham Schneider wrote: > > >> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Alaa Abdelwahab > <alaa.abdelwahab@...e.fr <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@...e.fr> >> <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@...e.fr <mailto:alaa.abdelwahab@...e.fr>>> > wrote: > >> Avraham, > >> With all respect to your point, thanks to use a better language > >> I did not deny that the Jewish ppl exist since what ever many > years, but >> does that mean they have to own the whole land now? > >> They owned the land - it was conquered from them - they got it > back - so >> yes, they have the right for the whole land now. > > >> I think this just give them the right to live and own their lands, >> without denying the same right >> for Christians and Muslims who used to live there as well for >> thousands of years even before the existence of the idea of > the states. > >> The Arabs did not live there for thousands of years. >> Israel never denied Christians or Muslims from living in Israel, proof >> is in the large number of Israeli-Arabs (including Arab Knesset > members). >> The Palestinians in the occupied territories were not born there - > they >> were refugees from Arab countries that either fled there during the >> war(s) with the Arab countries (that were defeated) or Arabs that >> entered the land after the Arab leaders promised that Israel would be >> defeated - something that did not happen. >> When Israel signed peace agreements with Egypt and Jordan - the later >> made it clear they do not want those Arabs back - did you ever wonder >> why? Don't they care for their fellow Arabs? > > > >> There might be a wrong popular idea that Arabs have a problem with >> Jewish, >> they only have a problem with Israel, and as you said when Muslims >> control >> the area, they didn't kick the Jewish out of it, in contrary > to what >> Europe >> did before with Jewish and what Israel is doing now with > Palestinians. > >> The following is the text of the Hamas spokesman's call for > genocide of >> Jews, the Hamas spokesman, Dr. Ismail Radwan, on Palestinian Authority >> TV, on March 30, 2007: > >> "The Hour [Resurrection] will not take place until the Muslims > fight the >> Jews and the Muslims kill them, and the rock and the tree will > say: Oh, >> Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, kill him!' > >> I think that proves you wrong. > > > >> The Idea is to live and let others live as well. > >> Didn't we try that? What about the Oslo agreement? 100% of the > land the >> Palestinians wanted was given to them - for peace. >> The 'favor' we got in return was daily rocket attacks from civilian >> population that support the terrorists firing them. > > > >> Regarding the War idea you are talking about, you mean that you >> agree with >> aggressive force usage. So we live in a jungle, who ever own > the power >> should kill every one before they have the same power. >> I'm surprised from your idea. > >> In reality (call it a jungle if you like) - no country would > accept the >> daily firing of rockets on it's civilian population. >> Imagine Mexico's drug cartels being voted in as elect government > by 90% >> of Mexican people - and them deciding to get California back from the >> U.S. - then starting to shoot low-grade rockets at San-Diego. >> How do you think the U.S. would react? >> How do you expect the U.S. to react? > > > >> So you want to say that it was a big mistake that Muslims didn't >> kill all >> Christians and Jewish when they were much more powerful and > they had the >> chance? No that is not acceptable we are civilized ppl and we >> believe that >> we all should live in peace and equally treat ppl regardless their >> religion, >> color, origin ...etc > >> They converted many by the sword and killed those who would not > convert >> - they didn't succeed but they tried. > > > >> The history is saying that no one keep the power for long, so > don't >> built >> the hate or you are going to pay for it. > >> History shows the Jews are victorious at the end. Large empires > rise and >> fall - but at the end of the day, the Jews are right and justice > prevails. > > > > >> Hope that you will not change your idea when positions will be > changed. > >> You assume 'positions' will change - I don't see that happening... >> regardless I have G-d on my side so I have nothing to be afraid. > > > >> But we will never change our idea. > >> I know - story has it's Mr. Evil - in the story of reality today Mr. >> Evil is played by radical Islam. I hope it is the last Mr. Evil the >> world has to deal with. > > > > >> Brgds...Alaa > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> _______________________________________________ >> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. >> Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html >> Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > > - -- Arturo "Buanzo" Busleiman Independent Linux and Security Consultant - SANS - OISSG - OWASP http://www.buanzo.com.ar/pro/eng.html Mailing List Archives at http://archiver.mailfighter.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJYN3TAlpOsGhXcE0RCrIfAJ9LvYj0TdWr3G4necpPfstE9wtBJwCeLRkv iWNHSjgnFTtCspm5EtRU7E4= =jMza -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. 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