Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:48:27 +0200
From: "Avraham Schneider" <avri.schneider@...il.com>
To: "Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman" <buanzo@...nzo.com.ar>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: The war in Palestine

Be careful of what you wish for.

On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman <
buanzo@...nzo.com.ar> wrote:

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> The bloodshed is caused by idiot people, motherfuckers and things like
> that. Stop the damn religion
> of bein g an excuse for your country's desires, ok? Ig god existed, he'd
> probably be thinking about
> nuking the hell out of Earth.
>
> Alaa Abdelwahab wrote:
> > Mikael
> >
> >> This opinion is causing the majority of the bloodshed in the world
> today.
> >
> > What is causing the bloodshed is the unjust arrangements that are tying
> to
> > be forced somewhere, the same like your example after the WW I.
> >
> >
> >> The argument can be made that Israel also tried peace, but it was
> responded
> >> with my bombings etc. Atrocities have been commited by both sides, this
> is
> >> an never ending argument. Both sides need to decide that they want
> peace,
> >> make sure they have representatives that also believe in this, and then
> >> they need to sit down and decide what to do, execute it and at the same
> >> time curb extremism in their own midst.
> >
> > What peace they have tried? Did they agree on the tens of UN resolutions:
> >
> > - Palestinian Refugees have the right to return to their homes in Israel.
> > (General Assembly Resolution 194, Dec. 11, 1948 )
> > - Israel's occupation of Palestine is Illegal. (Security Council
> Resolution
> > 242, Nov. 22, 1967 )
> > - Israel's settlements in Palestine are Illegal. (Security Council
> > Resolution 446, March 22, 1979)
> > - Palestinian have the right to Self-Determination. (General Assembly
> > Resolution 3236, November 22, 1974)
> > - Reaffirmation of a Palestinian State. (Security Council Resolution
> 1397,
> > March 12, 2002)
> > - The 1947 Partition plan of Palestine and the creation of Israel. (UN
> > General Assembly Resolution 181)
> > - Recommends Israel suspend its no-man's zone' in Jerusalem. (Resolution
> > 127)
> >
> > All above UN resolutions and other tens of other resolutions to deplores
> the
> > Israeli terror attacks against Lebanon/Jordan/Syria/Palestine/.... were
> just
> > been ignored by Israel and instead they are just trying to force their
> own
> > view of peace, I don't call this peace.
> >
> > Maybe you have a different definition of the terror acts.
> >
> > When a man bomb himself and kills tens of civil ppl this is a terror act,
> > but also when a powerful country sends its troupes inside another country
> > and kills a thousands civil ppl this is a terror act as well.
> >
> > Don't tell me it is doing that to protect itself.
> >
> > To protect itself it should respect the UN resolutions. That should only
> > bring peace to the whole area and we all live in peace.
> >
> > What I believe is that the UN should force Israel to respect its
> > resolutions, the same way they did in Iraq and Yugoslavia.
> >
> >
> >> This is the current situation, it wasn't like this historically. Trying
> to
> >> argue that one side is evil by looking at latest developments is always
> a
> >> slippery road. You just before said that there were 5000 rockets
> launched
> >> in the past 8 years into Israel? Isn't that evil?
> >> This leads nowhere.
> >
> > As per the UN resolution which defined Israel as an "occupation forces",
> > that gives the right to the Palestinian to resist. Any way they see, and
> we
> > all should support them.
> > And as per the International Humanitarian Law "the Geneva Conventions",
> the
> > safety and securing a good life for the Palestinian ppl is the
> > responsibility of Israel.
> >
> >
> >> Force? As opposed to the parties involved here, I am writing/talking,
> >> instead of promoting bloodshed.
> >
> >
> > When I said "force YOUR" didn't mean you, sorry for the misunderstanding
> it
> > is my bad.
> >
> > Brgds...Alaa
> >
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