Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 19:03:00 -0500
From: j-f sentier <j.sentiar@...il.com>
To: Avraham Schneider <avri.schneider@...il.com>,
	full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Barack Obama <-- Not Appropriate

hey bitch, you're the first to spread propaganda here, then STFU.

You've got no creditbility here.



2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider <avri.schneider@...il.com>

> the fact that you express your opinions on a political manner in a comsec
> mailing list and they happen to be copied from terrorist propaganda (i.e.
> baseless, ignores reality, full of lies and distortions)
>
> And when you are presented with facts that contradict what you said, you
> shift the argument to baseless character attacks (with your pathetic
> English).
>
> That basically proves you are here to do propaganda - either voluntarily
> (because you are EVIL) - or because you are paid to do it by evil
> people/governments (like Iran, who is known to support terrorists).
>
> But it does not explain why you expect n3td3v to stop his computer security
> related discussions (that are not technical, but computer security related),
> when you don't stop your propaganda that is _completely unrelated to
> computer security_?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:38 AM, j-f sentier <j.sentiar@...il.com> wrote:
>
>> yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli
>> bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something
>> EVIL.
>>
>> this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking
>> brown noze.
>>
>> 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace <andrew.wallace@...ketmail.com>
>>
>>> Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for
>>> Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he
>>> propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or
>>> something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda
>>> against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like
>>> tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but
>>> 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you
>>> to jump off a bridge would you do it?
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>> Intelligencer &
>>> Founder of n3td3v
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider
>>> <avri.schneider@...il.com> wrote:
>>> > The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me.
>>> >
>>> > I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours.
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier <j.sentiar@...il.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> which propaganda ?
>>> >>
>>> >> you're spamming propaganda everytime you post.
>>> >>
>>> >> But i understand why now :
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html
>>> >>
>>> >> "The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military
>>> >> police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and
>>> participating
>>> >> in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. "
>>> >>
>>> >> Everything is clearer than ever.
>>> >>
>>> >> 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider <avri.schneider@...il.com>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, <A.L.M.Buxey@...ro.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Hi,
>>> >>>> > I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber
>>> security
>>> >>>> > political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was
>>> >>>> > setup.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> because he didnt want to - and theres no demand?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> > What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into
>>> technical
>>> >>>> > and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists
>>> are
>>> >>>> > created?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of
>>> >>> discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting
>>> here
>>> >>> and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it
>>> here).
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and
>>> >>>> useful!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want
>>> >>> (security related or not).
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related
>>> >>> topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some
>>> spam.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda,
>>> or
>>> >>> just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options -
>>> either a)
>>> >>> ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend
>>> >>> themselves (or oppose their propaganda).
>>> >>>
>>> >>> As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished
>>> by
>>> >>> either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a
>>> certain
>>> >>> vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist
>>> the
>>> >>> rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js
>>> >>> sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and
>>> you are
>>> >>> back with a readable FD.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being
>>> >>> readable, are not computer security related either (at least without
>>> >>> wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security').
>>> >>>
>>> >>> So for the same reason you find it OK to post your request (and it
>>> is),
>>> >>> andrew finds it OK to posts his (and it is).
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Not trying to defend n3td3v or anything - but there's some hypocricy
>>> >>> here.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> ala
>>> >>>>
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