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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:15:07 -0500
From: Jason Starks <jstarks440@...il.com>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Worthless Disclosure

Of course. You get what you pay for and is there really any real point of
relevance in asking?

Jason

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:03 PM, T Biehn <tbiehn@...il.com> wrote:

> While I can never hope to live up to Jim Bell's seminal work 'assassination
> politics' the following is a rough draft of something that follows the same
> vein.
> A theme, which many of you undoubtedly will recognize from the current TPB
> cout proceedings, of making money indirectly by taking advantage of safe
> harbor laws by creating services that are very tempting to criminal
> activity.
> Of course the most notable example would be YouTube, which nobody will deny
> made it's popularity off of user contributed copyrighted works, which
> provided the catalyst userbase that allows it to persist in such popularity
> today.
> Other video sharing sites that have cropped up more or less cater exactly
> to the posters of copyright content, such as the supernova offerings.
>
> This trend of 'turning around' DMCA's Safe Harbor on the legislators that
> drafted and passed it is a practice I lamely call 'Chaos Engineering' or
> engineering a service in such a way as to instigate criminal activity,
> protect and propagate that activity, whilst profiting from it as a service
> entirely legally.
>
> One could imagine, and those familiar with the VoIP criminal underground
> would agree, a VoIP marketplace that allowed anyone to provide a terminating
> route with a bid. Such a service would intelligently route to the
> lowest-priced available termination point. To make this service tempt the
> underworld you allow 'anonymous' (e-gold anonymous) signups, and payout in
> any of the currently popular e-monies systems, pecunix, liberty reserve,
> WebMoney, include bank wires, cheques etc.
> To further (and would perhaps be overkill here) promote to the underground
> you offer an affiliate program then launch your own programs (under false
> credentials of course) to promote the site directly to the various
> 'Phreaking' communities.
> Naturally the termination points that were attained via some amount of
> "coercive or illicit business practice" would be the lowest priced so that
> their routes would be selected.
> The service makes its profit by charging the average rate weighted by
> individual server availability... a price higher than the lowest priced
> services but still lower than the major VoIP providers.
>
> Yeah so how would you all respond to such a situation? Jump on the money
> train or what.
>
> Great,
>
> -Travis
>
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