full-disclosure - Re: Ant-Sec - We are going to terminate Hackforums.net and Milw0rm.com

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:10:11 -0400
From: "Elazar Broad" <elazar@...hmail.com>
To: mrx@...pergander.org.uk, valdis.kletnieks@...edu
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Ant-Sec - We are going to terminate
	Hackforums.net and Milw0rm.com - New Apache 0-day exploit uncovered

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I've seen enough RAID controllers take a crap all over all the
disks far too many times in my career.
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http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/03/23/carbonite_sues_promise/

Sound familiar?....

On Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:52:16 -0400 Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu wrote:
>On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 12:41:02 BST, mrx said:
>
>> ii) Backed up and mirrored the content so that they could be
>back up in
>> 24 hours.
>
>Strictly speaking, any site that gives a flying f**k in a rolling
>donut
>about their availability should be doing this *anyhow*, even if
>they aren't
>worried about getting hacked.
>
>Statistically, you're more likely to hear the sound of a disk
>drive head going
>into oxide-plow mode or the click-click-click of a dead servo
>platter than you
>are being hacked.  And you're gonna want backups then.
>
>And no, doing RAID isn't a cure-all.  If there's a fire, all the
>disks burn. If
>there's a plumbing leak upstairs that spills zillions of gallons
>of water
>through your hardware, all the disks spark and short out. Plus,
>I've seen
>enough RAID controllers take a crap all over all the disks far too
>many times
>in my career.
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