Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:09:21 +0000
From: rogue <wmrogue2@...glemail.com>
To: glenn.everhart@...se.com
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Facebook Police

Yea Echelon

Also considering this is a UK based problem i cant really see the point as
in the UK its
legal to drink at any age as long as you are under parents supervision.

-rogue


On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:14 PM, <glenn.everhart@...se.com> wrote:

> A picture of a beer can in someone's hand does not prove it contained
> anything, much less
> beer. I have sometimes left glasses of things like apple juice with a bit
> of ice cream
> foam on top in church (when the organist needed a drink) or spoken of such.
> I also recall
> a lot of guys when I was in college making statements about their drinking
> and/or sexual
> prowess which turned out to be exaggerated. (I also remember kids in jr.
> high smoking
> cornsilk cigarettes in public to show off...or at least holding them to
> their mouths with
> a burning end. Claim was they tasted awful.)
>
> A beer or for that matter whiskey bottle might just as well contain tea. A
> picture by itself
> even when not tampered with does not necessarily show what it's cracked up
> to...
> You get suspicion, nothing more. And much less if making photos well
> documented to be
> of faked circumstances gets popular. Remember all the email signatures on
> the net with
> "NSA bait" phrases?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk [mailto:
> full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Rohit Patnaik
> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 11:55 AM
> To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Facebook Police
>
> Actually, I'm not sure what the issue is here.  Facebook is a public forum.
>  Underage drinking is an illegal act.  If
> you post evidence of yourself committing an illegal act to a public forum,
> the police are free to come and arrest you,
> and use the pictures that you posted as evidence against you.
>
> The only complaint here seems to be that the police violated Facebook's
> Terms of Service in "friending" these underage
> drinkers and gathering evidence against them.  However, I'm not sure how
> that's illegal in any way.  If it were,
> undercover investigations and sting operations of all sorts would be
> illegal.
>
> As I see it, these are kids who were caught out in their own stupidity, for
> doing something that they know to be
> illegal, and then posting pictures.  Now these same kids are whining
> because the police were marginally more tech-savvy
> than they assumed.
>
> --Rohit Patnaik
>
> On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:32:53AM +0100, netinfinity wrote:
> >  "Facebook policy requires the use of one’s real name to sign up, but
> > they let the police use fake names.."
> >
> > Sure the policy says that but a lot of people are changing their names
> > on a daily basis (ok maybe not daily). And majority of those changes
> > are
> > just for fun, but never the less they are against the policy. What
> > about those people? Only way to verify or check someone's name is
> > through IP (ISP). And that can't be done
> > by will.. It must have some legal grounds...
> >
> > Let me get to the point, I'm sure that police is violating some some
> > kind of human rights or even law's (?)
> >
> > --
> > netinfinity
> >
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