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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:28:24 +1100
From: dramacrat <yirimyah@...il.com>
To: bugtraq@...security.net
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk, Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu
Subject: Re: NSOADV-2010-002: Google Wave Design Bugs
inb4 front page news
2010/1/21 <bugtraq@...security.net>
> > Well, that's exactly what I'm saying. Pretending that this is some kind
> new
> > exploit class simply because Google Wave is used is stupid. This is the
> > logical extension of e-mail and instant message and social network
> attacks
> > to the next potential platform.
>
> Following in the history of the security community, we should coin a
> buzzword on this old issue with a new spin.
> WaveJacking sounds like a perfect fit.
> </sarcasm>
>
>
> > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:10 PM, <Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu> wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:01:36 CST, Rohit Patnaik said:
> > > > Yeah, no kidding. Surprise! Untrusted files can be malicious. If
> you
> > > > accept files from those whom you do not trust, whether its via
> e-mail,
> > > > instant message, Google Wave, or physical media, you well and truly
> > > deserve
> > > > the virus that'll eventually infect your machine.
> > >
> > > Let's see.. *HOW* many years ago did we first see e-mail based viruses
> that
> > > depended on people opening them because they came from people they
> already
> > > knew? 'CHRISTMA EXEC' in 1984 comes to mind.
> > >
> > > The problem here is that Google Wave is for *collaboration* - which
> means
> > > that you're communicating with people you already know, and presumably
> > > trust to some degree or other. "Hey Joe, look at this PDF and tell me
> > > what you think" is something reasonable when the request comes from
> > > somebody
> > > who Joe knows and who has sent Joe PDF's in the past.
> > >
> > > I guarantee that if every time you receive a document that appears to
> be
> > > from
> > > your boss, you call back and ask if they really intended to send a
> document
> > > or
> > > if it's a virus, your boss will get very cranky with you very fast.
> > >
> > > Let's look at that original advisory again:
> > >
> > > >> An attacker could upload his malware to a wave and share it to his
> > > >> Google Wave contacts.
> > >
> > > Now change that to "An attacker could trick/pwn some poor victim into
> > > uploading
> > > the malware to a wave...." Hilarity ensues.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> >
> > Well, that's exactly what I'm saying.=A0 Pretending that this is
> so=
> > me kind new exploit class simply because Google Wave is used is
> stupid.=A0 =
> > This is the logical extension of e-mail and instant message and social
> netw=
> > ork attacks to the next potential platform.<br>
> > <br>-- Rohit Patnaik<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 19,
> 2010=
> > at 8:10 PM, <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:
> Valdis.Kletnieks@...e=
> > du">Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote
> class=3D"g=
> > mail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin:
> 0pt=
> > 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
> > <div class=3D"im">On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:01:36 CST, Rohit Patnaik
> said:<br>
> > > Yeah, no kidding. =A0Surprise! Untrusted files can be malicious.
> =A0If=
> > you<br>
> > > accept files from those whom you do not trust, whether its via
> e-mail,=
> > <br>
> > > instant message, Google Wave, or physical media, you well and truly
> de=
> > serve<br>
> > > the virus that'll eventually infect your machine.<br>
> > <br>
> > </div>Let's see.. *HOW* many years ago did we first see e-mail based
> vi=
> > ruses that<br>
> > depended on people opening them because they came from people they
> already<=
> > br>
> > knew? =A0'CHRISTMA EXEC' in 1984 comes to mind.<br>
> > <br>
> > The problem here is that Google Wave is for *collaboration* - which
> means<b=
> > r>
> > that you're communicating with people you already know, and
> presumably<=
> > br>
> > trust to some degree or other. "Hey Joe, look at this PDF and tell
> me<=
> > br>
> > what you think" is something reasonable when the request comes from
> so=
> > mebody<br>
> > who Joe knows and who has sent Joe PDF's in the past.<br>
> > <br>
> > I guarantee that if every time you receive a document that appears to be
> fr=
> > om<br>
> > your boss, you call back and ask if they really intended to send a
> document=
> > or<br>
> > if it's a virus, your boss will get very cranky with you very
> fast.<br>
> > <br>
> > Let's look at that original advisory again:<br>
> > <div class=3D"im"><br>
> > >> An attacker could upload his malware to a wave and share it to
> his=
> > <br>
> > >> Google Wave contacts.<br>
> > <br>
> > </div>Now change that to "An attacker could trick/pwn some poor
> victim=
> > into uploading<br>
> > the malware to a wave...." =A0Hilarity ensues.<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > </blockquote></div><br>
> >
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