Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:55:38 +0000
From: "John Q Public" <johndoetron@...h.ai>
To: mark@...ntu.com
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Ubuntu Lucid Lynx is Big brother Ubuntu

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Well considering the tone I used, Frankly, I'm surprised you even
dignified that. I don't always speak in such a tone. It's just the
atmosphere of the scene here.

I want my system here to be pure and free. No blogcruft.

Remember how XP and Vista would always come with Windows Messenger?
It's the same philosophical issue.

It integrates social networking too closely, and it makes me wanna
go into FUD mode. I'm scared here.

I'm worried to be stuck with a LTS desktop for 4 years with an
experiment that should be done in the _NEXT_ 6mos, in a non-LTS.


I appreciate it Mr. Shuttleworth. Our Linux communities are one of
the brighter beacons of efficient development out there.

Keep up the steamrolling Ubunteros.


On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:43:54 +0000 Mark Shuttleworth
<mark@...ntu.com> wrote:
>On 25/02/10 22:28, John Q Public wrote:
>> wtf is this.
>>
>> A centralized identity system?
>>
>> In an open source operating system? By default?
>>
>> You're going overboard here. You're just a rich trustfunder and
>> your proles are afraid to say you're making a huge error.
>
>Just a tip: when you're giving advice that you want to be heard,
>try not
>to insult the other guy before you get to the advice ;-)
>
>> I never asked for my OS to become this big chatroom filled with
>a
>> bunch of autistic, idiotic facebook kids. I can't stand that.
>
>Look, you can't expect me to be accountable for who you follow on
>Twitter, or who your Facebook friends are. Nothing's going to show
>up on
>your desktop that you didn't sign up for.
>
>> Ubuntu one? Chatroom accounts? Online, Invisible? You're turning
>> the default Ubuntu into your huge autistic chatroom.
>
>We're bringing social interaction from the web, into the desktop.
>We're
>breathing life back into the city center, as it were. We're making
>the
>desktop more human. This is our mission, our reason for loving
>what we
>do. I'm sorry if it offends you, but it's got many people int he
>community very excited. There's no commercial conflict of
>interests here
>- we're putting it in by default purely to delight users. I accept
>that
>you're not delighted, but I don't see any signs that this won't be
>one
>of the favorite things about the release, for most users.
>
>If it turns out not to be the case, either before or after we make
>the
>release, we can course correct in six months time.
>
>> Disable this, or name it teenbuntu.
>
>I'm not sure why you think you can issue orders to me.
>
>> You are integrating this immature stuff into a Long Term Support
>> version of Ubuntu.
>
>Yes. The Ubuntu team won't integrate it if they don't think it's
>ready.
>They wanted it for 9.10, but it wasn't ready. Now it may be so.
>Please
>do file bugs, and thank you for the feedback. If the general
>feedback we
>get, including yours, suggests it's not right or not ready, it
>won't ship.
>
>> Desktop or not, I don't want to be forced into
>> your schema and big brother "social tray icon". Remove it by
>> default. Make it available via the software center.
>>
>> Please fix this, you're making a big mistake. Other than that,
>I'm
>> extremely excited for Lucid Lynx.
>
>Well, you can remove it yourself. And I won't be offended if you
>do.
>
>Thanks for the feedback, keep happy,
>Mark
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