full-disclosure - Re: Getting Off the Patch

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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 00:45:56 +0100
From: Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com>
To: coderman <coderman@...il.com>
Cc: "Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu" <Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu>,
	"full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Getting Off the Patch

I'm getting a bit annoyed reading over and over arguments which I've
highlighted some time ago anyway (
http://www.mail-archive.com/full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk/msg44454.html
).

The real question, what is the *direct* alternative to patching?

Don't say "sandboxing" because it doesn't always work.
And don't tell me about only installing the system critical issues only -
that's called "update by priority".
Also, please remember that we are talking against patching, not discussing
where patching works(/ is better) or not so I would expect any serious
arguments to completely exclude patching.

Regards,
Chris.

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:05 PM, coderman <coderman@...il.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:43 AM, phocean <0x90@...cean.net> wrote:
> > ... how is this new ? It has been the best
> > practice of good system/security administrators for years.
> >
> > And it doesn't look like a "no patching" policy yet...
>
>
> sure, .. though you've made me sad considering how few organizations
> do "best practice, good system/security administration".
>
> not new, still difficult?   (~_~;)
>
>
>  that leaves consensus:
>    "no patching" elusive, yet to be observed in real-world. (e.g.
> yeti or bigfeets)
>
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