Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 01:06:40 +0100
From: Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com>
To: gregorydevans@....com
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: An enemy of the infosec community needs to be
 brought to justice

I must admit this is the first time I heard about this person.

I did the obvious, running a Google search on his name, coming up with the
following page: http://gregorydevans.com/
I sure hope that is NOT in fact his page. Surely an "entrepreneur" knows how
to writing visually appeasing websites, which even a 10 year old could do.

Assuming the above is in fact his site, I took the liberty to criticize
those supposedly "facts".

#1 - I know of another guy that did a similar thing to AT&T. Got caught over
drug issues.

#2 - Some people are permanently glued to TV. Plus, you need acting skills
to appear on TV, not "hacking".

#3 - Whatever. I've repeatedly taught people my own age (an sometimes older)
certain aspects of a certain industry. Not a biggie really.

#4 - Gregory D Evans invented GPS?!! (I was being sarcastic)

#5 - I know a guy that wrote the world's best seller over a security-related
fiction story. He doesn't count himself as the "World's #1 Hacker".

#6 - Uhm, there's always a fist time. Successful writers are usually good at
it.

#7 - Uh, nope?! How exactly does Mr Evans track downloading of his
competitors?

#8 - Irrelevant.

#9 - Irrelevant. (hint: how many such companies actually exist? the only one
!= the best one can get)

#10 - The effectiveness of such courses could be more relevant. As an
independent developer, I realized one can learn from a 4-hour tutorial more
than one can get from a whole year of CS at Uni.

#11 - Well, there's company which is the only one in history to serve our
company. What about it?

#12 - Must have took a long time to realize this after #6.

#13 - So what? Lots of people writes mobile applications. Speaking of
myself, I write real software, not package some sh*t in a "mobile
application" and call it a masterpiece.

#14 - Irrelevant.

#15 - Only a fool would enjoy his stay of "Fools Weekly". If both channels
have casual viewers as the intended audience, I doubt his stay served any
purpose. Now, if it were a BBC documentary, I'd give some credit...

#16 - Might be because no one else sees it worthwhile?

#17 - Oh God. Seriously.

#18 - I was pretty sure "geek.net" was much more popular. Either case,
appearances may not mean anything. You'd be surprised what a monster of a PC
could be hidden behind a P2-era case...

#19 - It all comes down to what the adjective, "largest", is applied to. For
instance, if it applied to "ugliness and hot air", I'd wholeheartedly agree.

#20 - Uh, no 20?!


It's worth to note that a little time into writing this, I noticed his
WORDPRESS site was DOWN (or, uhm, seems like someone flipped over a switch
;) or several..). Well, Wordpress is a good platform, but his site really
puts Wordpress to shame.
Well, maybe while fixing his site, he might consider getting a professional
10-year-old to do it. Maybe great hackers don't have the time to design
visually appeasing stuff, who knows!

Cheerio,
Chris.







On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 7:19 PM, <gregorydevans@....com> wrote:

> "Do not meddle in the affairs of hackers, for they are subtle and quick
> to anger"
>
> When one thinks of frauds in the infosec community, most people are
> quick to point to Gregory D Evans of LIGATT Security. He's been on TV,
> he's been on radio, he's trying to draw as much attention to himself as
> possible. This man in no way represents this industry
>
> Many people have done good work in trying to bring him down, and many
> of those people have put themselves directly in his line of fire. He's
> gone after people at their home to intimidate them and their family.
> He's gone after them at their work to discredit them with their
> employer. And as everyone knows, he recklessly sues anyone who speaks
> negatively of him on the internet.
>
> Enough is enough. He must be stopped by any means necessary. To that
> end, at the end of this message is a torrent of the inbox of
> gregoryevans@...att.com; the only condition of receipt is that you not
> talk about the spool or this email release on twitter until after you
> have the full copy and are seeding it. He may be an idiot but his staff
> watch twitter for any mention of him, and it's imperative that this
> file be distributed as much as possible before takedown begins.
>
> This release immediately follows with a small regret. Apologies much be
> given to all the bystanders, innocent or otherwise. Contained within
> his inbox is personal information of many, many people. Social security
> numbers, bank account routing numbers, credit reports, and other
> reports by private investigators. It was completely impractical to
> redact all of this information in any effective manner, and for that:
> sadness. If in your search through this release you find personal
> information, please contact the person and notify them. Even when GDE
> finds out of this breach, it's quite unlikely that he will follow
> proper breach notification procedures.
>
> To the victims of Gregory Evans: please speak out. Defend yourself with
> the law. Your cause is righteous but he can only be brought to justice
> with your help. Don't stop fighting for integrity and truthfulness.
>
> To the employees and former employees of Gregory Evans: please speak
> out. We have read about the illegal treatment of you all; do not stand
> idly by. Talk to a lawyer about what he has subjected you to. Many of
> you have seen his illegal acts and some even asked to perform some on
> his behalf. This man is a con artist and will only continue to
> victimize people.
>
> To the partners and directors of Gregory Evans' many companies: shame
> on you. You took the easy way, following a crooked man in pursuit of
> money. Get out now while you still can. All that he has promised you
> will very soon disappear. If you decide to hang on, you will be brought
> down with him.
>
> To the brave soul who helped make this possible: thank you. You took
> great personal risk to bring this information forward, and none of it
> would be possible without you. It's unclear how you tolerate his lies
> day after day, but you've redeemed yourself by supporting this cause.
>
> Finally, to Gregory D Evans: it is done. All your lies are out in the
> open. Your investors will know. Your lawyers will know. Your employees
> will know. Your mother will know. Your lovers will know. Just step away
> and move on. Stop the stock scams. Stop the lawsuits. Stop the
> harassment. Stop robbing your employees. Stop embezzling. Stop
> deceiving every person in your life. When your child grows up and
> learns about you, the only legacy you'll be leaving is one of deception
> and fraud.
>
> Happy Birthday Mr. Evans
> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=qA4fBYcG
> archive password will be released shortly
>
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