full-disclosure - Re: What the f*** is going on?

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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:31:30 -0500
From: jf <jf@...co.net>
To: Michal Zalewski <lcamtuf@...edump.cx>,
	full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: What the f*** is going on?

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 05:24:39PM -0800, Michal Zalewski wrote: 
> > If it did for Google, you're either mistaken, [...]
> 
> Huh, what? Where did that come from?

> I would generally appreciate if we refrain from dragging it employers,
> business contacts, etc, into what amounts to an exchange of personal
> opinions.

all apologies, that was not my intent in the least-- referencing the public portion of the aurora stuff, which is part of the myth I thought you were referencing. I wasn't actua
lly trying to get you to comment on anything employer related, just assuming you drew your experience that formed the basis of the opinion. 

> > However, calling it an all out myth is misleading, and saying it's because contractors are pushing a myth is just wrong.
> 
> My point is roughly this:
> http://lcamtuf.blogspot.com/2011/02/give-me-give-me-p-give-me-t.html

Fair enough; and I would agree with what all you had to say there. Something to note is that I've never held a clearance, sometimes they need to come up with terms for communicating with the 'unclean' who is doing the work, thus terms like APT are born. If I had to tie down the A somewhere, I'd probably couple it with some of the social aspects-- like having phd level scientists available for the early stages of your phishing attacks.

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