full-disclosure - Re: Vulnerabilities in *McAfee.com

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Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 13:20:45 +0100
From: Cal Leeming <cal@...whisper.co.uk>
To: BlackHawk <hawkgotyou@...il.com>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: Vulnerabilities in *McAfee.com

+1.

I've come across countless companies who had idiotic technical directors who
didn't even want you speaking up in meetings about how bad their network
was, let alone in public.

A lot of it comes down to pride/image, if someone starts questioning their
job worth, they get all pissy about it, plus a lot of people find it
*extremely* difficult to take constructive criticism and/or advice
within their own remit.

Personally, I'm completely honest and open when I fuck something up. If a
clients network goes down cos I accidently plugged a 12v cable tester into
core switch gear causing a site wide telecoms outage for 20 minutes (lol),
I'll come right out and say "Yeah, I did bad.". Where as most people try and
cover it up.

Different scenario, but same principle.

On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 1:13 PM, BlackHawk <hawkgotyou@...il.com> wrote:

> Nothing new under the sun.. i have done some security testing on _open
> source_ webapps, and most of the time
> if you allert the publisher of your founding ( most of the time remote
> code executions, not "boring" XSS ) the answer is tipically "F*** off,
> we do not need your help / you are lying / you are a criminal /
> etc.etc." showing that bug founding is still looked with diffidence
> from many people;
>
> on the other side admins are so proud of themselfs that they do not
> want  other people to know they have bad coded something, look at
> this:
> http://forums.pligg.com/questions-comments/23065-pligg-1-1-3-security-vulnerabilities.html#post103328
>
> to close with a semi-serious joke: put all this together and you will
> know why black market selling of exploit is increasing his size: at
> least someone will appreciate your work and eventually recompensate
> you for it..
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:33 PM, Cal Leeming <cal@...whisper.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Like with most laws, the key point is "intent". If your intention was
> > clearly not malicious, then you are safe.
>
>
>
> --
> BlackHawk - hawkgotyou@...il.com
>
> Sent with Gmail
>

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