Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 14:40:30 +1000
From: GloW - XD <doomxd@...il.com>
To: Laurelai Storm <laurelai@...echan.org>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: VPN provider helped track down alleged
	LulzSec member

never did... was only for one buttcheek kid that i was alittle pissed and
thinking things wich, prolly were wrong at the time...
I am adult enough to apologise for what happened back then, and hopefully it
is just, cool.
:)
cheers, your loved by many, you just have many trollers to :sp
take care ,
xd


On 28 September 2011 14:32, Laurelai Storm <laurelai@...echan.org> wrote:

> Im suprised, someone on the internet who *doesn't * hate me :p
> On Sep 27, 2011 11:29 PM, "GloW - XD" <doomxd@...il.com> wrote:
> > Hello Laurelai ,
> > Oh i agree it is still a terrible precedent to be set.. I dont even know
> > where, legally, i stand anymore...
> > It is rather disturbing, nomatter WHO it was laurela.
> > I am all for the hatred against the VPN provs, and this is not just
> > happening here, and i made a BIG statement about this, and privacy, in my
> > channel on efnet, first as i saw it.
> >
> > Then saw a torrentfreak feed,of someone who was an owner of a huge
> torrent
> > site, was handed to authorities, not by the hoster, no... but by the
> > frigging payment handler, ie paypal or alertpay most likely.
> >
> > This is not good, it makes a grey could now over what is 'anon' and what
> > isnt. and thats a bad thing for us all.
> > To much fraud is causing this, thats plain and simple.Abusing places like
> > Sony, and, major banks, only make the authorities turn to politics, whom
> in
> > turn can bully with federal and state laws of ANY country, i think this
> is
> > the dangerous part wich is affecting lulzsec members or whoever was apart
> of
> > it, and, i mean efnet is no recruiting grounds for decent hkrs.
> > Simple as that, you know it, maybe thru word of mouth ok, but not alone
> by
> > being in channels but that network, is one federal hideout now..and, that
> is
> > every channel, if it is not being spied (yea they have a module
> > m_spychannel.c or similar, wich, they actually had without realising,
> asked
> > a friend, to code for them.
> > This was rejected by me/her,but i believe they have the module running
> now.
> > So, what was to stop them adding theyre own hidden spy mode to it :s look
> at
> > what they did to my old channel #haqnet, they introduced drinemon and a
> > bunch of other things, when it could have been simply worked out with
> > words.. but anyhow, i will not brood on the past, i hope this is mutual
> > Laurelai, I have nothing bad to say about you, and in turn, expect the
> same.
> > Respect for respect dear.
> > I do agree with you about the situation and, as you can see, am not
> holding
> > 9undisclosed) crappy things wich happened along time ago, over one
> idiotic
> > kid, on efnet, whom now i know you do not associate with. So, i want
> that,
> > to be laid rest now.. please.
> > And, we can only hope that the greater common sense will prevail and
> > hopefully, places will be forced to proove anonymity in some way, wether
> > that be by showing people email interaction with requester's of peoples
> > info, or anything simple even, wich would be then a standard for VPN, I
> do
> > not use them but, if i bought anonymous vpn, id expect exactly
> that,without
> > political interaction and grey areas about who and what is now legal and
> not
> > legal on the internet, on chatrooms, and on even websites.
> > ok, thats plenty, cheers!
> > xd
> >
> >
> > On 28 September 2011 13:41, Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 9/27/2011 10:10 PM, sandeep k wrote:
> >>
> >> Lolz members was really insane ,i m not why to use that crapy hma.
> >> On Sep 27, 2011 8:36 PM, "Ferenc Kovacs" <tyra3l@...il.com> wrote:
> >> > yeah, and usually the same goes for calling others "kids" ;)
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:30 PM, GloW - XD <doomxd@...il.com> wrote:
> >> >> #pure-elite , rofl... yes indeed :P
> >> >> hehe... nice story tho...funny about the elite channel thing... why
> do
> >> ppl
> >> >> tag themselves as elite? usually when they are not...
> >> >> ohwell, thats efnut :s (irc sucks)
> >> >> xd
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 27 September 2011 19:03, Darren Martyn
> >> >> <d.martyn.fulldisclosure@...il.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Hope this sends correctly, new email client and all... But seeing as
> it
> >> is
> >> >>> an international investigation many people have been bending over
> >> backwards
> >> >>> to assist LEO on this. HMA and perfect privacy were the VPN's of
> choice
> >> for
> >> >>> them it would appear, oh, and he was part of the #pure-elite channel
> on
> >> that
> >> >>> IRC server, and hence, considered by LEO and others as "Part of
> >> LulzSec".
> >> >>>
> >> >>> TL;DR, this is nothing new.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Laurelai Storm <
> laurelai@...echan.org
> >> >
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> And the guy wasnt even a part of lulzsec
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Sep 26, 2011 10:37 PM, "Jeffrey Walton" <noloader@...il.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>> > On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:47 PM, Ivan . <ivanhec@...il.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>>> >>
> >> >>>> >>
> >>
> http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/VPN-provider-helped-track-down-alleged-LulzSec-member-1349666.html
> >> >>>> > Though HMA claims they complied with a court order, it looks as
> if
> >> >>>> > they facilitated a law enforcement request. The US and the FBI
> have
> >> no
> >> >>>> > jurisdiction in the UK.
> >> >>>> >
> >> >>>> > Jeff
> >> >>>> >
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> >> From my understanding they used the channel as a possible recruitment
> >> ground, though only 6 people were officially a part of lulzsec , i find
> it
> >> disturbing that law enforcement considers being in an irc channel
> tantamount
> >> to being a part of lulzsec.
> >>
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