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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 20:58:40 -0500
From: adam <adam@...sy.net>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: VPN providers and any providers in general...

>>the judge can stick you in jail till you decide to change your mind.

That sums up the point entirely. In ALL of those cases, a judge deemed
[whatever] contempt - law enforcement *did not*.

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 8:53 PM, <Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu> wrote:

> On Tue, 04 Oct 2011 20:35:16 CDT, adam said:
> > "(Option 3 - the guy heads downtown on a contempt of court charge -
> happens so
> > rarely that it's basically a hypothetical)."
> >
> > You do realize that (at least in the US) - contempt is *not* a criminal
> > offense, don't you?
>
> tl;dr: Doesn't matter, you can end up in the slammer anyhow.
>
> Actually, the general rule is that if it's a civil proceeding it's only
> civil
> contempt.  Refusing to comply with warrants or subpoenas pursuant to a
> criminal
> proceeding could very well get you criminal contempt.  And even in civil
> proceedings the judge can stick you in jail till you decide to change your
> mind.
>
> And we're certainly discussing a criminal proceeding here.
>
> Journalist Judith Miller got to spend 4 months in jail for refusing to
> cooperate
> with a grand jury investigation.
>
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Judith_Miller_(journalist)#Contempt_of_court
>
> And this dude spent 14 years in jail on a *civil* contempt charge:
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/H._Beatty_Chadwick
>
>
>
>

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