Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 22:32:40 +0200
From: Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com>
To: Michael Schmidt <mschmidt@...gstore.com>
Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: 
	“We keep wiping it off, and it keeps coming back”

By the way, to reply to a certain n3td3v... "locating anything" does not
imply being "clueless on what's going on", which seems to be their on-going
issue.

While at it, a reply to Thor, just to switch subjects for a bit; shield law
doesn't apply when a journalist/reporter falsifies information to get low
against the AA (in this case).

Since the judge and the prosecuted are one and the same (the AA), I think it
is a considerably dangerous situation to go against them.

That's the only notch of credibility I'm giving to the article. A response
from the AA could easily crush that trust.

Cheers,
Chris.


On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com>wrote:

> Well, I know a local datacenter (can't be more than 10 years old) makes use
> of a Faraday cage around it.
> And it doesn't really keep any mission-critical equipment, so I guess
> others out there do the same.
>
> Depending on the type of cage/shielding (don't know about the local one) it
> can completely block communications...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Michael Schmidt <mschmidt@...gstore.com>wrote:
>
>>  I have no idea, I assume – this is usually what they mean when they talk
>> about an “air barrier”****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* evejou [mailto:girl@...hn0ev3.net]
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2011 1:04 PM
>> *To:* Michael Schmidt
>> *Cc:* Thor (Hammer of God); Christian Sciberras; Michael T;
>> full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Full-disclosure] “We keep wiping it off, and it keeps
>> coming back”****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> As someone kind of young (and thus no historical recollection), I'm kind
>> of surprised that this is talked about in past-tense. Does this not happen
>> anymore? I could see how this could get super annoying after awhile.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Michael Schmidt <mschmidt@...gstore.com>
>> wrote:****
>>
>> I know in the old days (15 years ago) – there were networks that were
>> completely separate from the outside world. I remember trying to do
>> telephone tech support to someone on a secure network…****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Tell him to do “this”****
>>
>> He puts down the phone, goes through physical security, tries “this”****
>>
>> He comes back though security picks up phone talks to me.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Security allowed nothing that looked like portable storage in or out of
>> the secure area.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Rinse.****
>>
>> Repeat.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Couldn’t even place outside voice calls from the secure network area. I
>> don’t know if they do this today. I also know that there used to be setups
>> with removable hard drives where one drive connected you to the secure
>> network and yet another drive connected to the unsecure network. – Two
>> different network cards each enabled for different networks.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> The good old days****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> *From:* full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk [mailto:
>> full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Thor (Hammer of
>> God)
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2011 10:36 AM
>> *To:* Christian Sciberras; Michael T****
>>
>>
>> *Cc:* full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
>> *Subject:* Re: [Full-disclosure] “We keep wiping it off, and it keeps
>> coming back”****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Consider the source.  It’s “someone close” to the operations, and that
>> only according to this guy.  It could very well be a slot-puller in the
>> casino across the street…   I’m always dubious of the reporting of this type
>> of thing where the source is some “secret” person, and where there is never
>> any ability to refute claims.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> t****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> *From:* full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
>> [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Christian
>> Sciberras
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 10, 2011 7:05 AM
>> *To:* Michael T
>> *Cc:* full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
>> *Subject:* Re: [Full-disclosure] “We keep wiping it off, and it keeps
>> coming back”****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> I'm talking more about their engineers than their network.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> If I had my network infected with a virus, I'd immediately deploy some
>> form of logging/monitoring tool (eg, wireshark).****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Honestly, it all sounds like they're employing inexperienced engineers.
>> Which is again strange, considering the field they're in.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Regarding your bet, see that's already something. Why exactly can't they
>> verify your bet? It isn't like viruses suddenly became invisible, is it?*
>> ***
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> I'm just curious to these questions. It's strange to hear someone saying
>> "we basically have no idea what's going on".****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Michael T <mt2410689@...il.com> wrote:**
>> **
>>
>> It's a network that's 'detached', or 'segregated', or whatevered from the
>> rest of the world, so it's 'largely immune to viruses'.  That likely means
>> they have:
>> 1. NO logging
>> 2. NO anti-virus
>> 3. NO hardening
>>
>> The very fact that these systems are on a segregated network means they
>> are probably more frail, and more susceptible to viruses, than a normal
>> person's laptop.
>>
>> Immune to viruses...  What a crock of shit.  My bet is that it's coming
>> from the planes.
>>
>> Mike****
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com>
>> wrote:****
>>
>>   http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/10/virus-hits-drone-fleet/****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> This is news to me.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Moreover, I'm a bit confused as to how they don't track how it's coming
>> back.****
>>
>> I mean, how is it possible that no one stepped in and analyzed how the
>> virus acts and where it came from?****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> It sounds fish if you ask me.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Chris.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
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