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Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:33:01 -0400 From: Justin Klein Keane <justin@...irish.net> To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: Search and Seizure of Email -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I'll just leave this here: http://www.cybercrime.gov/ssmanual/03ssma.html Section D does list a search warrant, but also lists other mechanisms by which the government can compel a provider to turn over e-mail. The US government is restricted by the 4th amendment in this respect. Justin Klein Keane http://www.MadIrish.net The digital signature on this e-mail may be confirmed using the PGP key located at: http://www.madirish.net/gpgkey On 10/12/2011 11:54 AM, Laurelai wrote: > On 10/12/2011 10:33 AM, Christian Sciberras wrote: >> Well said! >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Daniel Sichel >> <daniels@...derosatel.com <mailto:daniels@...derosatel.com>> >> wrote: >> >>> In fact, law enforcement officials don?t even need a search >> warrant to >>> access private emails. >> >> In point of fact, nobody does, although acquiring this access is >> clearly easier for law enforcement. One of the burdens that the >> freedom the Internet brings, is the freedom. Your email is out >> there, typically unencrypted, available to anyone who can snatch >> the packets off the wire, Any ISP employee with appropriate read >> rights on a mail server. >> >> Take responsibility for your own email. Encrypt it if you must, >> but for heaven sakes, own the fact that it is publicly visible. >> >> If we do not take responsibility for our own email and whine >> about others reading it, than there will HAVE to be regulations >> by government to protect us. That's what government does. That's >> what it is SUPPOSED to do. So before we invite Godzilla to >> protect our email, how about we just man up and take >> responsibility ourselves? >> >> But that's just the idea of a bunch of dead white guys like >> Edmund Burke, John Adams and James Madison, and what do they >> know? >> >> >> Dan Sichel >> >> _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - >> We believe in it. Charter: >> http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and >> sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - >> We believe in it. Charter: >> http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and >> sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ > Well there is no push to make snail-mail encrypted and lets face it > most peoples mailboxes don't have any sort of locking mechanisms > and is available to anyone with two hands and the malicious intent > to steal someones mail however the US Gov needs a warrant to > intercept your physical mail, why does it being online somehow make > it different? Especially considering the US Postal service keeps > threatening to shut down, and this is due to the increased > popularity of *email*. Why this should be troubling is that they > consider email somehow different than physical mail when it comes > to privacy rights for no really good reason, and considering that > one of the grievances we had with England in the time of the > revolutionary war was the government intercepting mail for > arbitrary reasons. This should make every American citizen's hair > stand on end. > > > _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - > We believe in it. Charter: > http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and > sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iPwEAQECAAYFAk6Vz00ACgkQkSlsbLsN1gAJnwb/QrMq+0QrJMggMZELaP/VWC2D 4+a3Dt+3J64pkW10JIQVM9yZkUMxLoUNfx3QldB/e9JKTvYRhjx4eJTphMIc/+S1 Fp+P297KH3HsyVyCtultio/bqNTmmcBE6ttVYbib25qO+Uey/p63HoSiuQsUi6vr PIIxfNXSqk9+Ky147+anp9HhkjjPhfW7WDih4ITNeHZ3izbW6tkFGgMjQb5kUCEc Y7j1rAECjVOXX6/SG3+JwvdiSgfs6WEXKgBrtZGpQdpyh2DfH3ycT3a/8L+PBI0q 94RBIO3mMO+NuIWUEIQ= =jkDU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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