Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 16:02:01 -0500
From: Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org>
To: Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com>
Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [OT] Obama said: "American people understand
 that not everybody's been following the rules"

On 10/14/2011 2:25 PM, Christian Sciberras wrote:
> Resorting to personal attacks? Nice.
>
> Technical skills in what? Running a wordpress blog? Defacing a 
> website? Growing pot?
>
> I rarely publicise any materials, most of the time I just tell whoever 
> is responsible to do a fix.
> I'm not really running after publicity, unlike you guys.
> Also note that I never said I'm a seasoned hacker... in fact, my 
> occupation is quite on the opposite side of the spectrum...
>
> You also seem to know more than I do what the Ubuntu VM I have contains.
>
> But that must make all the difference! I mean, people that don't know 
> qubits from bits shouldn't be allowed in such discussions
> (of course there's wikipedia...)
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Georgi Guninski 
> <guninski@...inski.com <mailto:guninski@...inski.com>> wrote:
>
>     Christian Sciberras,
>
>     I have trouble judging your technical skills - all I have seen is
>     bad smalltalk.
>
>     Do you have any technical publications you can share so I can judge?
>
>     btw, the best i found was you could could reproduce a bug in a CMS
>     and in addition you can't tell root from user password on vanilla
>     ubuntu.
>
>     --
>     joro
>
>     On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 02:11:13AM +0200, Christian Sciberras wrote:
>     > > So if they cause damage for profit that makes it ok?
>     >
>     > No. But it's certainly better than doing damage without profit.
>     Making
>     > profit means that at the end of the day, the money's going to go
>     somewhere
>     > further in the chain.
>     > Flattening a tower, for instance, or attacking the local bank
>     that refused
>     > to give you a loan because of the time you spent in a cell, isn't as
>     > productive.
>     > Neither is it making a company loose clients/profit just because
>     they
>     > decided they don't want you to use their services (as if you did
>     have a
>     > right in the first place...).
>     >
>     > > And yes I acknowledge the American public has a measure of
>     responsibility
>     > in the situation too, human beings are by nature imperfect, but
>     the largest
>     > share of responsibility lies with the names listed below.
>     >
>     > The largest share? I can see Ex-president Bush trying to sell
>     you a bottle
>     > of beer for $10 dollars ($7 profit). Wait, I can't.
>     >
>     > > That sort of thing has happened to me and I paid back every
>     dime of it,
>     > most people are decent human beings and would do the same.
>     >
>     > Most people? I could have sworn 90% of the people in the NYC
>     subway would
>     > thank $deity if you suddenly dropped dead so they could get
>     things off you.
>     > Call me cynical, but I wouldn't trust anyone else in such cases,
>     other than
>     > myself.
>     >
>     >
>     > Regarding that list of yours, great! Now we just need a little
>     more effort.
>     > For each of those persons, please enlighten us as to what they
>     did legally
>     > wrong.
>     > Of course, the people that landed in jail shouldn't be counted.
>     The "99%
>     > protest" is a modern one committed to change, it just can't
>     right wrongs by
>     > pointing at jailed people.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Laurelai
>     <laurelai@...echan.org <mailto:laurelai@...echan.org>> wrote:
>     >
>     > >  On 10/13/2011 9:18 AM, Christian Sciberras wrote:
>     > >
>     > > I simply acknowledge the fact that some people work hard to
>     get "obscenely
>     > > rich", but I just can't stand people that cause damage for the
>     fun of it.
>     > >
>     > >  So if they cause damage for profit that makes it ok?
>     > >
>     > >  Yes, I stick for everyone that minds his business, instead of
>     ruining
>     > > others' for the fun of it.
>     > >
>     > >  What bothers me is the fact that those hypocrites
>     (protesters) are crying
>     > > out loud against some people they're highly envious of with
>     the excuse of
>     > > "the depression".
>     > > Well, here's the news; the famous depression has been brought
>     about by
>     > > these same people!
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > And yes I acknowledge the American public has a measure of
>     responsibility
>     > > in the situation too, human beings are by nature imperfect,
>     but the largest
>     > > share of responsibility lies with the names listed below.
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >  If someone above is collecting free money because of
>     incentives for
>     > > people to spend money (and which seem to work well), I can't
>     blame him.
>     > >
>     > >  Yes because trickle down theory worked *so* well
>     > >
>     > >  How many times in your life have you paid back something you
>     received by
>     > > mistake and which wasn't yours?
>     > > While I would foremost applaud anyone that would right such a
>     wrong, I just
>     > > can't ignore the fact that those people out there representing
>     the "99%" are
>     > > big-time hypocrites.
>     > >
>     > > That sort of thing has happened to me and I paid back every
>     dime of it,
>     > > most people are decent human beings and would do the same.
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >  On a different argument, since you seem to know well enough
>     how some of
>     > > the 1% are doing immoral things, why don't you start by
>     handing out names
>     > > instead of talking air just as the "99%" crowd has been doing
>     up till now?
>     > >
>     > > *Alan Greenspan, chairman of US Federal Reserve 1987- 2006
>     > > **Mervyn King, governor of the Bank of England
>     > > **Bill Clinton, former US president*
>     > > *Gordon Brown, prime minister*
>     > > *George W Bush, former US president*
>     > > *Senator Phil Gramm
>     > > **Abby Cohen, Goldman Sachs chief US strategist
>     > > **Kathleen Corbet, former CEO, Standard & Poor's
>     > > **"Hank" Greenberg, AIG insurance group
>     > > **Andy Hornby, former HBOS boss
>     > > **Steve Crawshaw, former B&B boss
>     > > **Adam Applegarth, former Northern Rock boss
>     > > **Dick Fuld, Lehman Brothers chief executive
>     > > **Ralph Cioffi and Matthew Tannin
>     > > **Lewis Ranieri
>     > > **Joseph Cassano, AIG Financial Products
>     > > **Chuck Prince, former Citi boss
>     > > **Angelo Mozilo, Countrywide Financial
>     > > **Stan O'Neal, former boss of Merrill Lynch*
>     > > *Jimmy Cayne, former Bear Stearns boss
>     > > **Christopher Dodd, chairman, Senate banking committee (Democrat)
>     > > **Geir Haarde, Icelandic prime minister
>     > > **John Tiner, FSA chief executive, 2003-07*
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > Oh yeah and lets not forget about this guy
>     > >
>     http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1877351_1877350_1877337,00.html
>     > > And while he is thankfully spending time in a prison cell, so
>     many other
>     > > names on this list go free, in fact a good chunk of them made
>     a profit off
>     > > of the disaster.
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>
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Lets keep the discussion above the belt guys ok?


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