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Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:25:52 +0100 From: Levente Peres <sheridan@...sz.org> To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: Megaupload Anonymous hacker retaliation, nobody wins On 01/26/2012 03:04 AM, Marcio B. Jr. wrote: > On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Levente Peres<sheridan@...sz.org> wrote: >> This will give decision makers EXACTLY what they WANT. > > Those who have already given up democracy think that way. Not necessarily. I strongly believe in the principle of democracy. In fact I'm from a country where people fought and died for it, similar to the US and many others. And I also hear simple people like me and politicians alike, talk about it, and cite it over again, but more often than not, I just don't see it happening. I don't want to get into any "conspiracy theory" - either one thinks that way or doesn't, but if you look at the patterns, then let's just say that strong interest groups somehow always seem to get past these democratic barriers to create situations in which they can generate profit. Fortunately, most of the time they still need to play for the public and ask "nicely" first before they can do whatever they damn well please. But I feel that is changing. They get more and more bold, for example, just yesterday I read Chris Dodd saying something like... “Those who count on ‘Hollywood’ for support need to understand that this industry is watching very carefully who’s going to stand up for them when their job is at stake. Don’t ask me to write a check for you when you think your job is at risk and then don’t pay any attention to me when my job is at stake.” ... in "plain daylight", on Fox News I believe. Yes, we have such thing as democracy out there - but we also have self-interest, and this self-interest also exists in officials, and it can be exploited. Lately, after Wikipedia and many others stood by the people, peacefully but with great resolve, public will has won. Not necessarily because that was the will of the people - to have none of PIPA etc... - but more likely because we have triggered this protection of "self interest" in the officials. Quite simply, elected ones got afraid of not being re-elected, or just going too far and getting into something they cannot handle with a popular face. They appeared to have no "valid" moral reason anymore to cooperate with the passing, so they bailed out. This is what peaceful show of resolve and public will has achieved and I'm immensely proud of that... I honestly believe that this is a very effective way to resist if enough people stand behind it, like with the blackouts. But these interest groups know that officials also have a mandate to protect "security", which is a largely different matter. If they can picture it so that security's being violated somehow, and start making enough noise about "security" and telling people that "you could be attacked next" as so on, then quite simply, people will start demanding them to do whatever they wanted to do in the first place. "We want to be secure, now you are our officials, so do whatever needs to be done!" Not all people of course... not everyone will react this way. But just enough to allow them to move on, the "majority", or so they will make it appear trough mainstream media. That way they can proceed without loosing chance for re-election, in fact they may even be lauded as heros who can make hard decisions. A nice abuse of democratic principles. On the other hand, if this "threat" can be pumped up big enough to warrant an "attack on the country", then it's even worse. Then they won't need you to agree to/with anything, they can do whatever they want to do by definition of "protecting national security". This is why I believe that going to cyberwar (essentially: hard violence) over this or anything else is counter-effective. Levente _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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