full-disclosure - Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom

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Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 12:37:09 -0600
From: Laurelai <laurelai@...echan.org>
To: Michael Schmidt <mschmidt@...gstore.com>
Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of
 freedom

On 1/27/2012 12:06 PM, Michael Schmidt wrote:
>
> You want to be very careful with that line of thought. You are taking
> the creator the rightful owners profits, which they are entitled to if
> it is a product they created to be sold. You are confusing what you
> want -- with what the law states. Theft is typically very widely
> defined in the law, not just what the dictionary states.
>
>  
>
> When you make a copy, you are performing a step that the manufacturer
> takes with physical products. Just because copying software is easy
> does not mean the laws are so cut and dried around what is theft and
> what is not. If you take something by making yourself a copy, when the
> producer is the only authorized authority to make copies then you have
> committed theft.
>
>  
>
> You also cannot steal electricity, check out "Abstracting
> Electricity", but bypassing the meter is wrong in most jurisdictions.
>
>  
>
> In the US you can be arrested and charged for riding in a stolen car,
> even if you really didn't know it was stolen, known as "taking without
> consent" or TWOC.
>
>  
>
> In some jurisdictions you can be arrested and charged for "going
> equipped for burglary" mean you have implements of the trade on you --
> crowbars, lock picks etc. So I suppose in the US we are fortunate that
> having a copy of some previously defined hacking tools on a computer
> in our possession will not get us arrested -- yet.
>
>  
>
> The more you know...
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:*full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
> [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] *On Behalf Of *Laurelai
> *Sent:* Friday, January 27, 2012 12:51 AM
> *To:* full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Full-disclosure] when did piracy/theft become
> expression of freedom
>
>  
>
> On 1/27/2012 2:24 AM, Jerry dePriest wrote:
>
> im going to the 'benz dealer in the morning to express my 1st
> amendment right...
>
>  
>
> The Somalians are learning the hard way that it just isnt so...
>
>  
>
> bma
>
>
>
>
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> Piracy: an act of robbery or criminal violence at sea
>
> Theft:  the illegal taking of another person's property without that
> person's permission or consent with the intent to deprive the rightful
> owner of it
>
> Software copying: Occurs neither on the high seas and does not deprive
> the rightful owner of it.
>
>
> The more you know.
>
Yeah and the US is becoming a police state, so using US law as examples
of morality is pretty shaky ground.

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