full-disclosure - Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of freedom

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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:05:56 +0100
From: Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com>
To: Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@...il.com>
Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Subject: Re: when did piracy/theft become expression of
	freedom

No, it follows the fact that vengeance (the "fuck you" Byron mentioned)
isn't fruitful to remedy the situation.







On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@...il.com>wrote:

> What you said doesn't follow.
>
> Making a digital copy isn't burning down a business.  The analogy
> linking 'piracy' with theft is ludicrous.
>
> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:50 PM, Christian Sciberras <uuf6429@...il.com>
> wrote:
> > Byron, you don't protest to the government by burning down 100-year-old
> > business, if you know what I mean...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:12 AM, Byron L. Sonne <byron.sonne@...il.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> The thing that makes me laugh about all of this, and one of the key
> >> things I learned from reading Gibbon's Decline & Fall is this:
> >>
> >> The number and frequency of laws passed regarding things directly
> >> relates to how widespread these things are, and how they much the laws
> >> are ignored and ineffective. Laws can't prevent a damn thing, they can
> >> only specify remedies. As it is said, "it's only illegal if you get
> >> caught".
> >>
> >> The cat is out of the bag and will never be put back in. There's no way
> >> to stop people from 'illegally' copying copyrighted material.
> >>
> >> If they somehow managed to require and implement tech so that perfect
> >> digital copies can't be made (unlikely) then people will simply use a
> >> camera to record the video as it plays on the screen. Hey, wait a
> >> minute, that sounds just like that screener I downloaded someone taped
> >> in Russia! ;)
> >>
> >> If they manage to require and implement tech so that you can't trade it
> >> over the internet (unlikely) then people will simply trade it on private
> >> networks or, like we used to do in the old days, via sneakernet.
> >>
> >> The problem is that in an attempt to control the dissemination of
> >> copyrighted material (and people are right, artists do have a right to
> >> reap the benefits of their effort) the powers-that-be are stepping over
> >> the line and into territory that impacts our ability to communicate in
> >> the fashion we choose.
> >>
> >> It might be fine to try and prevent piracy but in the process of doing
> >> so you are trashing the other desires of people that have nothing to do
> >> with piracy.
> >>
> >> I'm sure if the copyright lobby had their way, they'd require us to wear
> >> special glasses in order to see our laptop screens, on the assumption
> >> that anything not explicitly licensed was assumed to be unlicensed, and
> >> thus pirated, which we would be blocked from our field of view... and as
> >> a result, some girl/guy who wants to write a simple freeware text editor
> >> now has to jump through regulatory hoops and spend money to obtain a
> >> special registration that allows their text editor to display to the
> >> screen. This is a cheesy example, but I think it makes the point.
> >>
> >> In the guise of 'protecting artists and businesses' what is happening is
> >> that the powers-that-be are requesting (and too often getting) powers
> >> that allow them to trample on the general idea of freedom of
> >> communications and other things people cherish.
> >>
> >> As a result, people are inclined to engage in the very behaviours that
> >> elicited the laws and crackdowns, quite simply, as a way to raise their
> >> middle finger and say "Fuck You".
> >>
> >> This is when piracy and theft becomes freedom of expression - when it's
> >> done in protest.
> >>
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> >>
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